Anorak
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Geriatric hoon
There has been a serious development, Moscow has been attacked by multiple drones. Putin says the drones were operated by the Ukranian military. If true, that's not a good look. It would imply the drones flew undetected across a few hundred kilometres of Russian territory. Or alternatively it could suggest Ukranian special forces are operating near Moscow. Neither reflects well on Russian defences.
Another possibility is that the drones were operated by non-state actors. A less likely option is that the drones were operated by dissident Russians.
It's not impossible that this is a Russian propaganda ploy.
We may find out the truth. Or we may not.
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sdkfz
From what I've read they were not long range drones, so would have been launched from within Russia.
The funny part is Putin (and thus Russian news) talking about "terrorism" by Ukraine, which of course already has thousands of homes, schools, hospitals ... that were blasted by Russia.
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Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
NATO has already told Ukraine off for the Belgirod affair, they can’t have Zelenskyy going off script and doing his own battles. Stolenberg has withdrawn nato support.
The real danger now is Poland is seeking to occupy western Ukraine as some kind of peacekeeper mission. This will be a disaster for everyone as it’s basically the Berlin Wall mark II.
It’s time for a negotiated peace but America doesn’t want that.
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Anorak
Odd that you now claim again to have some sort of special knowledge you said Russia would never invade Ukraine.Originally Posted by R650R
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The Majestic Metal Wizard
On the Drone attack - it seems to have been quite the cunning move.
It is not a problem - it is a Dilemma.
If you ignore the Drone threat, then the potential is that they will be able to do more effective strikes in the future.
If you don't ignore it, you need to pull men/equipment/resources in order to defend against it.
Brilliant move on the Ukraine's part.
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Geriatric hoon
There is no need for a negotiations. All that's needed is for the Russians to go back to Russia.
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Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
No dispute ends without negotiation give and take. Ukraine is in the fortress position. History does not favour that style of warfare. Continuing this war is just needlessly condemning people to death.
Russia has announced the war could go on for decades with coupe years of peace in between skirmishes.
This is like the tv show neighbours at war. There will continue to be needless destruction until an authority figure negotiates some kind of peace.
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Geriatric hoon
Nah. Traditionally surrender has been an option. No negotiations much at all.
History hasn't seen much of this kind of warfare. We are inventing new types. The Irish "troubles" for instance. The first time in history one side had to give the other side a free shot.
Ukraine is fighting with one hand behind their back. Tradition suggests they should be doing to Russian cities what the Russians have been doing to theirs but that would be too scary. Personally I think that's a mistake. The Russian population had no idea what was going on. Young Russians in Ukraine could not convince their parents what was actually happening. The parents believed Putin's propaganda and thought their kids were mistaken. Now that large numbers of their sons have been shipped home in body bags the penny might be starting to drop. Hopefully somebody will decide Russia needs a new president.
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
The Majestic Metal Wizard
I think Tradition more suggests that engaging in all-out warefare against a Nuclear power is a massive risk.
I also don't think that Ukraine is fighting with one hand behind their back - I'm not sure they have the manpower and resources for a counter-offensive into a Russia. Yet.
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sdkfz
There are some claims that's what the drone attacks on Moscow were for. Cause some trouble where plenty of cameras are, and plenty of people who will share the pictures on social media. Basically, get some news to the population - past the Russian censorship and propaganda.
(And also, somewhere away from where the ethnic minorities that bear the brunt of the fighting come from.)
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Geriatric hoon
Drones as used in Ukraine are interesting. Ukraine wanted cluster bombs, the US has them in storage but they are illegal now. Consequently the Americans were not keen to supply them.
Ukraine doesn't want to use them as cluster bombs though, they want to disassemble them and remove the bomblets. They want to drop the bomblets from their drones. Clever stuff.
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
sdkfz
Interesting.
(It's easy and dangerous to fall into the trap of thinking all Russians are stupid and all Ukrainians are smart, but the Ukrainians really do show some very good thinking.)
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