Unmasking Elon Musk

[TheDemonLord]

And in other news Tesla set to take a hit as Chinas BYD claims to have mastered a fast charging tech that is comparable to pumping liquid fuels. The deep seek moment of ev ????

I will believe that, when I see it.

China makes a lot of claims...

[onearmedbandit]

More attacks on Tesla cars overnight, vehicles set alight. You can disagree with the owner of the company, hate and despise him if that's how you want to live your life, but destroying other people's personal property is criminal, threatening their safety and security is not justifiable and shows the lack of mentality these people possess. Hopefully they are caught and brought to account.

[sugilite:Me]

More attacks on Tesla cars overnight, vehicles set alight. You can disagree with the owner of the company, hate and despise him if that's how you want to live your life, but destroying other people's personal property is criminal, threatening their safety and security is not justifiable and shows the lack of mentality these people possess. Hopefully they are caught and brought to account.

I agree, that is absolute bullshit. Would like to see the perps get done to the full extent of the law on this one.

[neels]

More attacks on Tesla cars overnight, vehicles set alight. You can disagree with the owner of the company, hate and despise him if that's how you want to live your life, but destroying other people's personal property is criminal, threatening their safety and security is not justifiable and shows the lack of mentality these people possess. Hopefully they are caught and brought to account.

Not particularly clever to be attacking individual peoples property, they have no control over how deranged the head of the company which made it has become. Same mentality as looting local shops when things get riotous, the only victim is the individual who's affected, and unlikely to have any effect of change on 'the system'

Burning cars and shooting holes in buildings at Tesla dealerships is equally against the law, but at least is targeting the source of whatever the grievance might be.......

Then again, the usual fate of a car parked on the side of a rural road for any length of time demonstrates that there are a percentage of humans who will damage other people's property just because there is an opportunity to do so.

[TheDemonLord]

It is so much easier to destroy other peoples personal property....




When one both does not believe in personal property and believes that they are Righteous.

[onearmedbandit]

It is so much easier to destroy other peoples personal property....




When one both does not believe in personal property and believes that they are Righteous.

Oh I'm almost certain that if you attacked these people's property they'd be up in arms, so I doubt they don't believe in personal property at all.

[TheDemonLord]

Oh I'm almost certain that if you attacked these people's property they'd be up in arms, so I doubt they don't believe in personal property at all.

But our Private property isn't Bourgeois Property, therefore it doesn't count

Well ahead of you

[onearmedbandit]

But our Private property isn't Bourgeois Property, therefore it doesn't count

Well ahead of you

I think you're taking a bit of a leap to assume that these attacks are anything other than pure hatred overflowing into random acts of violence.

(Note - I'm not stating that as fact - just my opinion. Just like you have your opinion)

[TheDemonLord]

I think you're taking a bit of a leap to assume that these attacks are anything other than pure hatred overflowing into random acts of violence.

(Note - I'm not stating that as fact - just my opinion. Just like you have your opinion)

From whence does that hatred flow?

And then the following - why do we not see the same sort of actions on the Right?

Sure, we get Boycotts from the right, we get people publicly pouring out Budlight etc. but we don't tend to see attacks on other peoples personal property, in the same way that we do when it is a Left Wing cause.

Underneath all of that I firmly believe that a combination of a sense of righteousness and marxist feelings about personal property are a key factor.

[onearmedbandit]

We've all seen videos of bullies standing over their victims, taunting them, taking their lunch money, but not actually physically attacking them. They just use their confidence and sense of superiority to install fear into their prey. And for the most part it works, they don't need to throw a single punch (although sometimes they do). And then we've seen the odd occasion where the victim can no longer tolerate the bullying, and they throw the first punch.

Maybe the 'right' have a sense of overwhelming superiority that gives them a feeling of confidence that they see the 'left' as weak and therefore not a threat to worry about, no need to turn to violence (although let's be perfectly honest, the far right are well capable of and have acted out in violent ways in the past), and maybe some factions of the 'left' feel weak and under attack and see the only way to be victorious or stand up for themselves is to attack the 'stronger right' with violence. Not everything is as clear cut as you may like to think.

[pritch]

Oh I'm almost certain that if you attacked these people's property they'd be up in arms, so I doubt they don't believe in personal property at all.

In the USA such attacks on private property can be met by gunfire. Apart from being nasty it can be bloody dangerous.

[TheDemonLord]

Not everything is as clear cut as you may like to think.

Sure. The issue (as I see it) is there is entire library of philosophical justification for this type of behavior that is specific to the left.

Paulo Fiere, Jean Paul Satre, Marx, Gramscii etc.

Where are the equivalent right-wing philosophers who advocate using violence against someone elses property?

[onearmedbandit]

Sure. The issue (as I see it) is there is entire library of philosophical justification for this type of behavior that is specific to the left.

Paulo Fiere, Jean Paul Satre, Marx, Gramscii etc.

Where are the equivalent right-wing philosophers who advocate using violence against someone elses property?

That there may be, but that does not mean your average fire bomber is well versed in the teachings of the above mentioned. In fact, I'd argue that type of person is less likely to be educated in anything.

[TheDemonLord]

That there may be, but that does not mean your average fire bomber is well versed in the teachings of the above mentioned. In fact, I'd argue that type of person is less likely to be educated in anything.

Sure... But let me put it another way - do you remember when Squid game was released? At Halloween that year - how many children dressed in costumes inspired by that show?

Despite the overwhelming majority of children (not teenagers) having never seen that show?



Just like the above video is several iterations downstream of the original show, it still retains recognizable elements of it.

So - I agree, that your average fire bomber is unlikely to be well versed (although some are) - they are still aware of the downstream ideas and concepts - such as it being justified to hate your oppressor, to disregard personal property and that if you are saving the world/environment/democracy/other - then any action is permissable.

[onearmedbandit]

Sure... But let me put it another way - do you remember when Squid game was released? At Halloween that year - how many children dressed in costumes inspired by that show?

Despite the overwhelming majority of children (not teenagers) having never seen that show?


Just like the above video is several iterations downstream of the original show, it still retains recognizable elements of it.

So - I agree, that your average fire bomber is unlikely to be well versed (although some are) - they are still aware of the downstream ideas and concepts - such as it being justified to hate your oppressor, to disregard personal property and that if you are saving the world/environment/democracy/other - then any action is permissable.

Comparing exposure from one of the most popular streaming shows and the words of mostly obscure (to the general public - most even couldn't recite Marx's teachings) philosophers is such a long stretch of the bow I'm surprised the string didn't snap! Squid Games, although maybe not directly watched by children (but I bet plenty did watch it on Netflix), was frequently displayed on social media platforms that children do frequent. I'm not of the belief that your average arsonist is exposed to the the teachings of these philosophers, rather just acting out of anger and hatred for trump and Musk. Musk's company makes cars. Cars make an easy target. Maybe a few are, but I'd wager their misguided anger was already there and enough to act upon, they didn't need a philosopher to encourage them.

Ok I get it, you are not going to be moved from your position, and I respect that. No point in thrashing the discussion out any further, I know where you stand and you know where I do. The only point I was trying to make earlier was these people are misguided at best, criminals in every other respect, regardless of their beliefs or motivations (in fact, their beliefs and motivations don't matter at all), and need to be brought to account. I'm sure you would agree with that.