Train adverts

[merv]

Anyway, do you like the adverts all the same?

[jafar]

Problem we have is the complete disregard for the warnings particularly by truckers who seem to treat it as some competitve game against the fellow freight business.

Law is simple. When a train is withing 800 metres of a crossing the road as such ceases to exist and the train has right of way and because of its weight and size usually wins, except when a truck hits side on as happened to kill Louise Cairns and the 11 that died near Kerang in Victoria Aus recently.

What complete & utter bollocks, one accident in another country does not justify your quote !!
If you wish to turn this into a truck bashing thread BRING IT ON

[The Pastor]

problem with trains is they look as if they are going quite slow because of their length and size, so people think "i can make it".

Its common sence, but as long as we have a nanny state, people wont think for themselfs.

[The Pastor]

problem with trains is they look as if they are going quite slow because of their length and size, so people think "i can make it".

Its common sence, but as long as we have a nanny state, people wont think for themselfs.

[merv]

What complete & utter bollocks, one accident in another country does not justify your quote !!
If you wish to turn this into a truck bashing thread BRING IT ON

Ah both the accidents I mentioned were caused by truckers. Where were you too when the truckers used to regularly crash through the Waiouru barriers? Only an overpass stopped that happening on a regular basis.

There are many other examples too here and in Aus. Anyone remember Makikihi and earlier Shannon and Longburn and in Aus the crashes with Pacific National at Lisomore Vic and with the Ghan south of Darwin in the last year.

Bollocks to your bollocks, and your point is?

Are you telling me you are a trucker that likes to break the law?

[Romeo]

problem with trains is they look as if they are going quite slow because of their length and size, so people think "i can make it".

Just as often is where you have trains going through busy traffic areas, and people are queued up over a train crossing (Like this one on busy Riccarton Road, or outside Polytech). People just rock on out onto them not even thinking that there may be a train comming in 60 seconds - then the bells and lights start going off and they're stuck there. I see it every day on my way to tech, or comming home in heavy traffic and people just idle themselves on the train tracks with no way to go forward.

How do you solve that on busy roads? Either through better education or bridge/tunnels I suppose - Or just assume at least a certain level common sense and play the numbers game.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

How do you solve that on busy roads? Either through better education or bridge/tunnels I suppose - Or just assume at least a certain level common sense and play the numbers game.

I endorse the latter solution.

[oldrider]

Strange that, there was a recent awareness campaign where ACC and police with I think it was Ulyssess were promoting intersection awareness I read about in the NZ Herald,


and they mentioned the ACC statistics showed that 75% of motorcycle accidents the rider was NOT at fault.

Yes and "we" (motorcyclists) pay 75% more ACC for less than half the vehicle size on the road.

And every other man and his dog cover our part of the road with shit and mud, leaving us left with less than a quarter the space we should have.

Dairy farmers income goes up and their contamination of our roads increases "unchecked" expeditiously and "we" (motorcyclists) bear the cost both physically and financially!

The roads in and around North Otago are turning into a shit hole!

It used to be if the ice don't get you then the grit will but now you can add on to that, mud, shit, gravel, silage, hay, firewood, cows, farmers and a thousand mad bastards in cages to the list!

Worst of all, nobody seems to give a shit! (pardon the pun)

I feel better after that little rant, I must do it again some time! ....John. (sorry, back to train safety)

[merv]

You watch out when you're crossing the tracks though eh John?

Truth is only a few bikers hit trains but the consequences are high.

[jafar]

Ah both the accidents I mentioned were caused by truckers. Where were you too when the truckers used to regularly crash through the Waiouru barriers? Only an overpass stopped that happening on a regular basis.

There are many other examples too here and in Aus. Anyone remember Makikihi and earlier Shannon and Longburn and in Aus the crashes with Pacific National at Lisomore Vic and with the Ghan south of Darwin in the last year.

Bollocks to your bollocks, and your point is?

Are you telling me you are a trucker that likes to break the law?

1/ There were no barriers @ waiouru & it wasn't just trucks that got hit there either .
2/ There will always be examples of accidents / crashes. The reasons for their happening is what is at issue. Your attempt to paint 'truckers' as irresponsible cowboys who race trains is what i am objecting to. It is crap , those accidents are not the result of trucks racing the trains.
The vast majority of truck drivers are courteous & professional in what they do. Your attempt to put them all down because of the mistakes of a few is the bollocks.
3/ Yes i'm a trucker , no i don't go out to break the law , I have well over one million k's up in trucks alone & have had to deal with many situations on the roads in over 25 years as a professional driver.
People make mistakes for whatever reason & some have happened on rail crossings & yes some have involved trucks. Far more have involved cars & pedestrians !

[tri boy]

Eh? Are you kidding??
How about a safety campaign for kids that climb trees, or 'make sure you lift your feet over the kerb when you cross the road, you could stumble and hurt yourself'.
Trains were invented in bloody 1801, we've had over 200 years to get used to them
SHEESH!!!!!

I am struggling to see what the problem is with spending approx $200k on a transport safety campaign.
I would think there is 50,000 crossings a day involving cars/trucks/pedestrians.
Thats a big window of potential human error involving a train that can't stop to avoid a fatality.
Expenditure on this campaign is minimal,(air time at govt rates, and Toll supplying the videos).
The country runs water safety, fire safety ads. All helping to educate people. Whats the real drama here? Or is it NZs short man syndrome coming to the surface again.(what about me?, look at me.) Double sheeesh, and I raise you.

[oldrider]

It is a matter of perception, the road crosses the railway not the "railway crosses the road".

If I owned the railway I would just close all the road crossings, fence them off and make road traffic go all the way to an over-bridge!

Then I would not have any of these stupid accidents to worry about.

The railway would soon be getting pleaded with to give them back their right of way across again, complete with promises to obey the crossing rules!

The public of this nation are fickle bastards and the politicians are space wasters. (IMHO) John.

[scumdog]

1/ There were no barriers @ waiouru & it wasn't just trucks that got hit there either .
2/ There will always be examples of accidents / crashes. The reasons for their happening is what is at issue. Your attempt to paint 'truckers' as irresponsible cowboys who race trains is what i am objecting to. It is crap , those accidents are not the result of trucks racing the trains.
The vast majority of truck drivers are courteous & professional in what they do. Your attempt to put them all down because of the mistakes of a few is the bollocks.
3/ Yes i'm a trucker , no i don't go out to break the law , I have well over one million k's up in trucks alone & have had to deal with many situations on the roads in over 25 years as a professional driver.
People make mistakes for whatever reason & some have happened on rail crossings & yes some have involved trucks. Far more have involved cars & pedestrians !

Good one, get into him, next thing he'll turn to cop-bashing on KB!!

[candor]

This campaign is all the psyc patients need.

To me the visuals suggested a fast painless death which I know is just glamorising. And obviously thats what that guy who just drove up the tracks then parked and stood in front his car to get crushed thought too.

His noteworthy act was surely not coincidental. One death caused by the campaign so far?!.

Also no-one seems to be bothered by the report that Reefs dad was blind in one eye (on the train side) and perhaps unfamiliar with the area not helped by sunstrike. So how would this ad have helped them?

These are rare events and there are several more common toll causes that should get priority for high profile campaigns - fatigue, drugs and inattention to name just a few.

This country is far too reactive to well heeled activists and PC posturing. Famous sportsmen get the support for causes known to be statistically minor. Now we have that rugby guy telling us he depended on electricity for life. As if millions of people are killed by vector and empower etc. Not a one yet we have tv ads! That one takes the cake.

Crap - people on dialysis are not acutely ill and won't die if the process is interrrupted. The money spent on that stupid ad telling you to tell your electricity supplier you don'r want them to kill you would be far better spent on road safety ads re cagers observing for bikes or cyclists. Much bigger issue than trains - doh! Only in NZ...........

[kro]

I am struggling to see what the problem is with spending approx $200k on a transport safety campaign.
I would think there is 50,000 crossings a day involving cars/trucks/pedestrians.
Thats a big window of potential human error involving a train that can't stop to avoid a fatality.

The problem is it's wasted money, because the people most likely to get taken out, will be the Ryan Jamiesons of this world, who was clowning around, and got owned.
The other problem is where will this hand holding excercise of danger identification end?. Adverts with some drop kick plunging a knife into a toaster to retrieve a lost crumpet?.

See, we all grieve when people die, and that can not be denied to anyone, but if that person died doing something that 99% of the populace says was stupid, or rushed, or risky, then the fact remains that they tempted their own fate. Any form of indecision, or hasty, un thought out actions near a railway line, carry the potential for disaster.

Don't you think it odd we have had none for so long, and now all of a sudden, we have had several. all in a short soace of time..... the reason is simple, it's because after the first one, people got cautious, and started altering the way they approached crossings, then another fatality occurred, and some people really got jittery and apprehensive at crossings, they did something unnecessarily stupid, and got themselves taken out. This knee jerk advertising, and so called "safety campaign is too late imo, those with the propensity toward doing dumb things around trains have prolly been culled already.
If people had stuck with their original good sense at crossings, we could have seen less deaths.