I'm a grave menace to society

[Edbear]

But would the drivers/motorcyclists know and accept the were driving stupidly?.

I've often opined, "Show me an incompetent driver who knows and can admit they are incompetent and I will show you a very rare individual!"

I see incompetence behind the wheel every day and it is plainly obvious that most of these drivers consider they are driving very well, thankyou!

The cemeteries, (sp), are full of riders and drivers who considered themselves "good drivers/riders". No doubt the roads are full of ticketed drivers/riders who consider themselves law-abiding and safe and competent, too.

While I agree there have been incidents posted which appear to indicate an officer is being a bit harsh - and I have noted some officers parked in positions where I think they are taking advantage of a situation that has little to do with safety - I accept the speed limit because of the large number of incompetent drivers who are unsafe at any speed and need limits. I don't use, nor feel I need, a detector and haven't had a speeding ticket since the first year speed cameras were installed and I was coasting down a hill in Auck and didn't notice the speed creep up. Got done for 61 in a 50 area.

[riffer]

I don't recall every advocating the removal of the speed limit. God forbid.

The limit is there for an good reason. It's suggested that this is the maximum speed safe for the majority of people to drive on the majority of roads in this country.

I'm really sorry if you've read it that way. Never my intention. The Police however should be allowed to say "110km/hr straight road perfect weather no one else around - it ain't dangerous or careless." Or - "80km/hr winding road, congested traffic, pissing down with rain - absolutely stupid behaviour". At the moment you can't do shit because they are under the limit.

Remember it works BOTH ways.

[spudchucka]

Really... in what way?

The same number of stupid retards keep getting caught every year. They drive along in a daze, oblivious to the possibility that they might get pinged around the next bend or along the next straight. If the idiots would open their eyes and pay attention while on the road there would be A: less speeding tickets issued because fewer people would get pinged & B: fewer crashes because if they are paying attention to what they are doing they might realise that they have crossed the centre line etc.

[spudchucka]

Or that the police concentrate too much on speed. Can't tell which from the figures.

Only the motoring public can change the outcome. As long as there are monkeys in the barrel wanting to be shot the cops will keep on obliging them.

[spudchucka]

Again, this is LAZY policing.

No its not. Its a practical person having a realistic, pragmatic approach to an issue that is not well understood by the general public.

[spudchucka]

Why not retain the speed limit as it is but allow the cops to use their discretion?
Get rid of the quotas.
No need for dangerous driving charges and if you get pinged the cop doesn't have to do any more work than he does now.

You wouldn't find many cops that would disagree, other than the ones with the pips and crowns on their shoulders.

[swbarnett]

If 'speeding' was replaced with 'careless/dangerous use' EVERYBODY so charged would plaster the Courts with pathetic bleating (as they do with speeding) trying to justify their speed.

As is the case with every other charge I can think of except the instant fines. I have a moral if not legal right to defend myself in court.

$1,200 to defend what would have been a $120 ticket?

Worth it for the principle and the demerits.

And which would you rather have - a pissy speeding ticket or two OR a dangerous driving/careless use conviction or two?

I'd rather have something I could defend.

Some people know when to just get on with their lives after getting a ticket or two - others fester for yonks and joust at windmills endlessly, which are you?????????

The former until I end up with enough to affect my license.

The "innocent" get stung for breaking a limit set in place for practicality, in my view. This sort of thing is all across society, mind.

If it's not practical to protect the innocent on a day to day basis then let there be a recourse in the courts.

I'm all for recognising inequality, but at this stage it's just not practical for a society to manage millions of road users every day in a more individual system.

And yet we don't manage millions of road users as it is. We aren't watched every minute we drive (and neither should we be).

Exactly, impossible to tell from an officer's standpoint. That's why this dude got ticketed and that's why "driving to the conditions" is irrelevant if you're over the speed limit. It's not like driving faster makes you any safer than if you were under the limit...except in special circumstances.

And driving at or under the speed limit doesn't make you any safer either.

I remember the first scene reading out the list of possible defects with Vincent and 99% being heart condition. I forget whether he actually had them or not.

He didn't. This was the point of the movie - how he got penalised regardless.

I agree, but again you have to look at practicality too. It's not laziness, it's just bloody hard for 1 cop to monitor thousands of cars.

Then don't. We don't monitor millions of people to see if they might murder someone.

If you've got an idea that'll effectively monitor someone

Why should we be constantly monitored? I have a moral right to take whatever risks I like when the only person remotely likely to suffer from the consequences is myself.

Imagine if there were no speed limits as suggested

You may find (as has been illustrated elsewhere) that drivers find their own speed, some high, some low and on the most part they will be competent at that speed.

the large number of incompetent drivers who are unsafe at any speed and need limits.

Then why let them drive at all if they're not safe at any speed? Ticketing for speed limits does not solve the problem.

Only the motoring public can change the outcome. As long as there are monkeys in the barrel wanting to be shot the cops will keep on obliging them.

Or the cops and lawmakers could concentrate on something else that may actually be dangerous.

[Edbear]

Then why let them drive at all if they're not safe at any speed? Ticketing for speed limits does not solve the problem.
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Wow! For one so new to the forum, you multi-quote like a pro..!

Only my opinion of course, these same drivers would consider themselves capable and safe, no doubt... I think I said earlier that it would be great if the Police could catch and ticket incompetence but that it's not easy to do so.

[spudchucka]

Or the cops and lawmakers could concentrate on something else that may actually be dangerous.

As long as the motoring public keep proving their stupidity by killing themselves regularly the state will have an easily justifiable reason to target speed. The ability to change lies in your hands.

[Max Preload]

As long as the motoring public keep proving their stupidity by killing themselves regularly the state will have an easily justifiable reason to target speed.

Again, the spurious linking of speed to crashing and dieing. Nobody with more than half a clue is swallows this claptrap - it's more political than road safety orientated.

The ability to change lies in your hands.

I'm pretty sure there's nobody posting here who has died from crashing, but I'm prepared to be corrected.

[MSTRS:Me]

As long as the motoring public keep proving their stupidity by killing themselves regularly the state will have an easily justifiable reason to target speed. The ability to change lies in your hands.

That is all very well, but what has been said is that speed alone is responsible for very few (3%?) of fatals. So why the heavy targeting of such a limited area of the problem?

[avgas]

Just curious do you have a "friend" who's ever done a runner?
A "friend" told me they aren't that easy to do.

Depends on where you are and what you do.
I won't do another one as i fear there is a stupid cop out there that will try and tazer me and either hit and i go down like a slinky fired out a canon, or they miss and hit the tank.

[boomer]

Often mis-quoted. "The LOVE of money is the root of all evil" (If you believe in such things).

no.. no.. NO!!!

I like what i say and say what i like.. YOU mis quoted me numpty.

[spudchucka]

That is all very well, but what has been said is that speed alone is responsible for very few (3%?) of fatals. So why the heavy targeting of such a limited area of the problem?

Link speed with the previously mentioned bone headed retards that use the roads and the answer is obvious.

[spudchucka]

Again, the spurious linking of speed to crashing and dieing. Nobody with more than half a clue is swallows this claptrap - it's more political than road safety orientated.



I'm pretty sure there's nobody posting here who has died from crashing, but I'm prepared to be corrected.

You miss the point.