Second Rotorua child hospitalised

[98tls]

Could it be anything to do with the way the maori always portray themselves as a "warrior" race, do a war dance (haka) at the slightest provocation, the whole culture seems to be about glorying in past wars and killing. Any wonder some of them take it seriously?

Maybe.......they need to remind themselves that they lost and sold up.

[kro]

As I have stated exhaustively in other threads, if the government stopped paying women with no long term partner, or spouse, to have babies, this would disappear. Two of those panelists on that show this evening acknowledged the welfare system needed changing. Hurrah, maybe there is hope

These recent battered and killed children are likely alcohol and drug money, and have little other value to the people involved. I don't know about the race aspect, I don't have the figures, and won't comment, as I have seen this in other ethnicities too.

Why do we foster women to raise fatherless families?, and pay them out exorbitant amounts of money to do it?. Feminists may say what they want, but men are the calming and discipline influence of the family, and without them, the children are deprived of a huge part of their development.

If you're going to do something for the children, make sure they have dads.

[NotaGoth]

Just watching close up on TV1,after listening to the sisterhood of spread the love/whanau blah blah blah crap i turned the tele off,these people want the foreshore they want the sea the sky and every other fucken thing and now they want the rest of us to take responsibility for what they do to there children,when is enough enough ?only one person in that segment made any sense and that was the maori lady who basically said bugger all the wider family/whanau shit what about people standing up and taking responsibility for there own lives rant over,just had enough.

Understand completely how you feel... Seeing alot of the attitudes made me so angry...

The probability of a particular family/whanau/community abusing their children is eight and a half times higher if they're Maori.

But it's not their fault, no no. Evil Pakeha came and forced Maori to beat their children. Then Pakeha gave Maori untold zillions of dollars to buy tumble dryers with.

Dave

Most who were interveiwed blamed everyone but themselves.. Some blamed Europeans, what the hell is that about...?
Forget about the seabed and forshore and start thinking about things that are more important...

Take responsibility when it comes to the damn well facts... And stop pointing the finger and hoping the problem will just go away..

Oh and by the way.... I don't agree with being called a Pakeha its about as racist as calling them a nigger.

[judecatmad]

Social policies that financially reward people to have children contribute to problems like this. People should only become parents because they value the love and experience of parenting. Our current system encourages those who normally wouldn’t want kids to do so for more benefit money (ie the animals and dregs of society).

So very well said.

So sad that the kids brought into life by those people have to suffer.

Take the kids away and then sterilise the parents and anyone who stood by and watched it happen without saying a peep. It'd never be allowed of course, but it's a nice ideal and it would mean no other innocent lives have to suffer at their hands.

[Winston001]

It's not like breeding is a God given right you know.

Ummmm......well actually it is the most primary genetic drive (after food and pure survival).

But I know what you mean. China has a one-child policy where you get taxed for second children.

[Winston001]

Science fiction has long predicted a world where we have to apply for the right to have a child. Given the world's current population explosion, those days must be drawing near.

[LilSel]

Shoot the bastards!!! putting a child in the dryer??!! WTF!!!
It makes me sick to my stomach!!

[MD]

Helen Clark has formed an urgent Commission of enquiry tasked to ensure that Mercury Energy is found responsible for this child abuse.
It worked for her last time. This way she can blame her two pet hates; whities who dare to work for a living and people who strive to run a business.

And she annouced that Sue Bradford will receive a Honours award because this is clear evidence that her anti-smacking bill has worked. Stupid Sue, if only she had included a sub-clause reference to abuse with general household whiteware or structures commonly used in the evaporation of moisture from clothing? Clearly we need more anti-this and that Bills from the Labour Govt and all our problems will go away.
Excuse my sarcasm, I'm just fed up with reading the same crap time and again, from the same crappers hiding behind the same crap excuses.

[peasea]

Some sensible comments are being made here and I think they reflect what the nation feels as a whole.

For Sharples to get on national TV (Close up, tonight) and say "it's not a Maori problem" just goes to show how blinkered some Maoris are to their own demise.

I have no idea how to fix the problem of child abuse and it's not entirely (although it appears to be largely) Maori-oriented, just as 'general' crime is. At least that's how the stat's see it.

Why is it that I can get my sorry arse out of bed in the morning and get a day's work done and some people can't. (And I don't mean those in true need either.....) Where is the switch on the back of the head that gets turned on in the morning? I think it's on the inside and was installed by my parents, to who I am eternally grateful. I hated being whacked on the back of the legs with a wooden stick but I had some respect for my olds and I haven't been locked up (yet) and I have earned everything I have in this world. Starting from scratch at 44 (six years ago) wasn't easy either, but I wasn't going to be sitting on my bum on some father's DPB for the rest of my life. I have too much pride for that and my daughters don't need a loser for a father.

Whittle the benefits down, make them work for the dole, filling potholes or whatever and solo mums should be working part time when junior goes to school; get pregnant again and you lose the kid to a foster home. Some pride needs to be restored and some personal accountability too.

Too many people on benefits doesn't help anything or anyone.

[peasea]

Shoot the bastards!!! putting a child in the dryer??!! WTF!!!
It makes me sick to my stomach!!

Starting with the mother for leaving her child in the care of a known gang-connected punch-thrower.

[Grahameeboy]

It's not just NZ guys

Australia

How many reports of child abuse are made in Australia each year?
The most recent national figures from AIHW indicate that in Australia during 2002-2003 there were 198,355 reports of suspected cases of child abuse and neglect made to state authorities. This figure has risen significantly over the last five years from 91,734 reports in 1995-1996. These figures do not necessarily mean that the actual occurrence of child abuse and neglect has increased over this time, but they do show that the reporting of cases to child protection services has increased.

UK

7% of children experienced serious physical abuse at the hands of their parents or carers during childhood.
1% of children experienced sexual abuse by a parent or carer and another 3% by another relative during childhood.
11% of children experienced sexual abuse by people known but unrelated to them. 5% of children experienced sexual abuse by an adult stranger or someone they had just met'.
6% of children experienced serious absence of care at home during childhood.
6% of children experienced frequent and severe emotional maltreatment during childhood.

Japan

New figures in Japan show the number of child abuse cases has risen significantly.
The health ministry says the number has risen above 30-thousand for the first time, that's six thousand more than for the same time last year.
The ministry says most cases of abuse in Japan involve violence or neglect, with two-thirds committed by the mother.
It says stricter laws on reporting abuse has contributed to the rise.

[peasea]

It's not just NZ guys

I don't think anyone is saying that it is, it's just that here it tends to be over-represented in the stat's by Maori. IMHO I feel that their status as a warrior race doesn't help; trying to be the tough guy etc. Or is that too simplistic?

[Grahameeboy]

I don't think anyone is saying that it is, it's just that here it tends to be over-represented in the stat's by Maori. IMHO I feel that their status as a warrior race doesn't help; trying to be the tough guy etc. Or is that too simplistic?

I know but sometimes it comes across that way.

Tough guy...well look at Japan..........through the centuries, kids have been abused so maybe it is just a sad face of the human race.

Difficult to just look at Maori though when they are also at the lower end of the social ecomonic status.....I know that is a generalisation but maybe this is as much the issue than race, colour, culture...I mean whites beat on kids in the UK and poverty is a key element.

[Finn]

It's not just NZ guys

Australia

How many reports of child abuse are made in Australia each year?
The most recent national figures from AIHW indicate that in Australia during 2002-2003 there were 198,355 reports of suspected cases of child abuse and neglect made to state authorities. This figure has risen significantly over the last five years from 91,734 reports in 1995-1996. These figures do not necessarily mean that the actual occurrence of child abuse and neglect has increased over this time, but they do show that the reporting of cases to child protection services has increased.

UK

7% of children experienced serious physical abuse at the hands of their parents or carers during childhood.
1% of children experienced sexual abuse by a parent or carer and another 3% by another relative during childhood.
11% of children experienced sexual abuse by people known but unrelated to them. 5% of children experienced sexual abuse by an adult stranger or someone they had just met'.
6% of children experienced serious absence of care at home during childhood.
6% of children experienced frequent and severe emotional maltreatment during childhood.

Japan

New figures in Japan show the number of child abuse cases has risen significantly.
The health ministry says the number has risen above 30-thousand for the first time, that's six thousand more than for the same time last year.
The ministry says most cases of abuse in Japan involve violence or neglect, with two-thirds committed by the mother.
It says stricter laws on reporting abuse has contributed to the rise.

Yeah, maori's cause trouble no matter what country they're in.

[Grahameeboy]

Yeah, maori's cause trouble no matter what country their in.

I knew the silence would not last long................