Second Rotorua child hospitalised

[Finn]

I knew the silence would not last long................

I never miss a chance to have a go at the maori's. If kid bashing was an olympic sport at least NZ would be good at something.

I haven't been here in about 2 months and I see you still haven't managed to save the world. Loser.

[peasea]

I know but sometimes it comes across that way.

Tough guy...well look at Japan..........through the centuries, kids have been abused so maybe it is just a sad face of the human race.

Difficult to just look at Maori though when they are also at the lower end of the social ecomonic status.....I know that is a generalisation but maybe this is as much the issue than race, colour, culture...I mean whites beat on kids in the UK and poverty is a key element.

Hey mate! I've been broke heaps and I never abused my kids, don't lay the poverty shit on me! That's a size ten crock of crap. Poverty never told anyone to beat their kids. I don't believe a word anyone says about money having anything to do with love and affection. My parents did it hard during the war and their parents before them who went through WWI; they disciplined their kids but never abused them. They use poverty as an excuse and I would be willing to bet that a large slice of that poverty is due to sheer farkin laziness.

Sorry mate, I don't suck on that lemon.

[Grahameeboy]

Hey mate! I've been broke heaps and I never abused my kids, don't lay the poverty shit on me! That's a size ten crock of crap. Poverty never told anyone to beat their kids. I don't believe a word anyone says about money having anything to do with love and affection. My parents did it hard during the war and their parents before them who went through WWI; they disciplined their kids but never abused them. They use poverty as an excuse and I would be willing to bet that a large slice of that poverty is due to sheer farkin laziness.

Sorry mate, I don't suck on that lemon.

Fair call, was just throwing a general thought around for debate.

[Grahameeboy]

I never miss a chance to have a go at the maori's. If kid bashing was an olympic sport at least NZ would be good at something.

I haven't been here in about 2 months and I see you still haven't managed to save the world. Loser.

Well the main thing is that I am trying rather than chosing to be a loser and doing nothing................I would rather lose trying to do something.......

[peasea]

And let me tell you something else; when I split with the ex and had time on my hands I was either looking for work or pouring every spare minute into my girls. Time costs nothing and we walked, went to parks and kicked about on the beach. Time investment etc, not waste. We ate lame food, like mac' cheese and shit but I tried and I rose above it. Don't try and convince ME that a lack of money makes people beat their kids. Jeez. I'm annoyed now, coz that's bullshit.

I ain't too much of a man to not admit that I cried some nights because I couldn't put what I wanted to on the table but there was no lack of love. Love isn't about money, lack of money causes stress but you HAVE to rise above it and that strength comes from love and it's cyclical. To get it you have to give and back again. The reverse (with hate) also applies and some families have it back to front but money????

Nah..........it's got SFA to do with it.

[Grahameeboy]

And let me tell you something else; when I split with the ex and had time on my hands I was either looking for work or pouring every spare minute into my girls. Time costs nothing and we walked, went to parks and kicked about on the beach. Time investment etc, not waste. We ate lame food, like mac' cheese and shit but I tried and I rose above it. Don't try and convince ME that a lack of money makes people beat their kids. Jeez. I'm annoyed now, coz that's bullshit.

I ain't too much of a man to not admit that I cried some nights because I couldn't put what I wanted to on the table but there was no lack of love. Love isn't about money, lack of money causes stress but you HAVE to rise above it and that strength comes from love and it's cyclical. To get it you have to give and back again. The reverse (with hate) also applies and some families have it back to front but money????

Nah..........it's got SFA to do with it.

I was not trying to convince you.....was just looking at a different angle for the purpose of debate..........I respect your posts, however, my post was not aimed at you so please don't take it personally.

Guess some Maori's get annoyed when they get labelled.

[Finn]

Well the main thing is that I am trying rather than chosing to be a loser and doing nothing................I would rather lose trying to do something.......

Solo gay father from Devonport saves the world on a motorbike. I just don't see it happening.

[Grahameeboy]

Solo gay father from Devonport saves the world on a motorbike. I just don't see it happening.

Well you have to open your eyes Finn............oh and by the way welcome back.

[peasea]

I was not trying to convince you.....was just looking at a different angle for the purpose of debate..........I respect your posts, however, my post was not aimed at you so please don't take it personally.

Guess some Maori's get annoyed when they get labelled.

Ok, deep breath. Nothing personal, I know........
Looking at the scene overall though, you have to admit that laziness is a major factor. There's no incentive to get out of bed when the money will just roll in. Boredom sets in, a sense of hopelessness etc, then bingo, someone explodes and the easiest target gets trampled.

I was unemployed in Wellington in the early 80's but didn't pull the dole. I threw spanners in the garage for cash and kept my pride, so where/what is the difference? Why do these dole bludgers do it and how come they get away with it? It's not often you hear about hard-working, loving couples beating their kids is it? It's predominately beneficiaries, usually long-termers and sometimes generational.

It makes me want to cut all benefits overnight but then the genuine cases would suffer. The nanny state has to go before anything positive can even get started.

[peasea]

Solo gay father from Devonport saves the world on a motorbike. I just don't see it happening.

No but what about the world saving a solo motorbike from a gay father in Devonport? I could see that happening.

[Finn]

Well you have to open your eyes Finn............oh and by the way welcome back.

Just tried... nothing.

I'm not back. Just thought I'd remind you that the maori's are still not behaving themselves.

[Grahameeboy]

Just tried... nothing.

Well at least you tried so there is hope for you yet.

I'm not back. Just thought I'd remind you that the maori's are still not behaving themselves.

Yep, it is amazing how much trouble even a 1/16th can cause.............have you checked your family tree?

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[Grahameeboy]

No but what about the world saving a solo motorbike from a gay father in Devonport? I could see that happening.

It's a twin?..............................

[Grahameeboy]

Ok, deep breath. Nothing personal, I know........
Looking at the scene overall though, you have to admit that laziness is a major factor. There's no incentive to get out of bed when the money will just roll in. Boredom sets in, a sense of hopelessness etc, then bingo, someone explodes and the easiest target gets trampled.

I was unemployed in Wellington in the early 80's but didn't pull the dole. I threw spanners in the garage for cash and kept my pride, so where/what is the difference? Why do these dole bludgers do it and how come they get away with it? It's not often you hear about hard-working, loving couples beating their kids is it? It's predominately beneficiaries, usually long-termers and sometimes generational.

It makes me want to cut all benefits overnight but then the genuine cases would suffer. The nanny state has to go before anything positive can even get started.

Agreed.....trouble is that human nature often takes the easiest route for some and with child abuse it is often a family historical thing..........I think we under estimate the power of the mind.

[kro]

It's not just NZ guys

Your stats are meaningless. Its high time we stop comparing ourselves to global statistics, to see what the accepted norm is, and tell ourselves that any abuse is wrong, and none should happen.

It fucks me off big time when people lean back on stats, and say "we're not doing any worse than country XYZ". Screw country XYZ, this is NZ, and we need to stop beating the shit out of our children.

The DPB needs to be scrapped, and re-introduced with tough as hell criteria, because these women are getting pregnant, as part of an "easy life" plan for them and their drop kick boyfriends. The amount of money earned from the DPB, coupled with a dole pay out for drop kick boyfriend, is actually quite large. The governments guilt in all this is they are paying for these situations to occur, and fostering the households of lazy assholes, who commit these sorts of crimes.

Memo to Sue Bradford.
Thank God for your anti smacking bill, it really saved these two babies....oh wait....