"Gorgeous" George Galloway

[kro]

At the root of "The rise of Islam" is the fundamental "spirit" that drives the PC machine.

To explain in slightly less cryptic terms. What happens when we slander Hindus, Islamics, Maori, or any race of people with their own beliefs/religion?. The PC machine roars into life, and quashes our threatening "racist" remarks, and labels us as "haters".

Now, as a white male caucasian, I have no "culture" to speak of. I am not of the belief that an ancestral man fished NZ out of the sea, I do not teach my children that a 6 armed elephant is to be worshipped, or such like.

My only heritage, or culture I can claim to be part of, is that of the Christian faith, which was the foundation religion of my family tree. It is the belief system my family raised their children around, and is the one they took to their place of worship each week. The thing is see, we can open up a can of whoop ass on the Jesus lovers, and the whole country joins in, and laughs/mocks too. We will protect these other races dignity and respect above our own culture and heritage. Effectively NZ hates itself.

This Gorgeous George may live to see the error of his thinking. For now he can piss off back to his hole.

[scracha]

the war in Iraq cost the US Taxpayers how many millions of dollars a day?


( by the way .. im pretty sure close to 4000 mothers and families of the dead US Servicemen and women think their soldiers paid a heavy price for that oil)


deluded people who think this is about oil really get my ass up.. big pic folks .. big pic


/rant

I'm sure the >100,000 mothers and families of the dead Iraqi civilians think they're paying a high price for being cursed with having an asset the USA depends on.

Just because the US war criminal president can't do maths and couldn't work out that it wouldn't be a 5 day air campaign doesn't mean it wasn't about oil. Deluded people who can't see that this war is really just about oil (and the "commander in chief" keeping his buddies happy) really get my goat too.

[scumdog]

I'm sure the >100,000 mothers and families of the deal Iraqi civilians think they're paying a high price for being cursed with having an asset the USA depends on..

Is that counting the 'collateral damage' caused by suicide bombers too??
The ones that blow themselves up to kill 5 Iraqi police recruits - but also kill 23 innocent civilians too? - all who may well be of the same religious persuasion as the bomber.

[Street Gerbil]

the war in Iraq cost the US Taxpayers how many millions of dollars a day?

how much capitol is being generated from the oil pumped out of the ground every day??

check the batteries in you abucus man ... i cant work the math out on this one ..


( by the way .. im pretty sure close to 4000 mothers and families of the dead US Servicemen and women think their soldiers paid a heavy price for that oil)


deluded people who think this is about oil really get my ass up.. big pic folks .. big pic


/rant

We have to choose: shall we give up or shall we surrender?
Wait a tick, why am I speaking French on an English-speaking website???

[scracha]

Is that counting the 'collateral damage' caused by suicide bombers too??
The ones that blow themselves up to kill 5 Iraqi police recruits - but also kill 23 innocent civilians too? - all who may well be of the same religious persuasion as the bomber.

No more acceptable than 'collateral damage' caused by US airstrikes etc. My point is that there wasn't all the violence before the 'coalition of the greedy' invaded...sorry...liberated Iraq. Perhaps if Rumsfield (you know, the guy who armed Saddam in the first place) hadn't sacked the Iraqi army and hadn't installed a puppet government in Iraq (and before that Afghanistan) then there would be a little less violence?

[MisterD]

So just because he didn't agree with an illegal war to steal Iraq's oil that makes him a Saddam loving twat?

It was to get away from twats like this that I emigrated, and now they're over here pushing their fascist agenda.

No, bullshit political grandstanding by travelling to Iraq, meeting with and giving credibility to, someone who was responsible for the torture and murder of thousands of his own people makes him a Saddam loving twat.

[Waylander]

No more acceptable than 'collateral damage' caused by US airstrikes etc. My point is that there wasn't all the violence before the 'coalition of the greedy' invaded...sorry...liberated Iraq. Perhaps if Rumsfield (you know, the guy who armed Saddam in the first place) hadn't sacked the Iraqi army and hadn't installed a puppet government in Iraq (and before that Afghanistan) then there would be a little less violence?

Uh right, last I checked the average collateral damage from a US air strike would maybe be bout 10-15. Not 25-30 like the suicide bombers who don't care who they take out.

No less acceptable yes but certainly the lesser of two evils, with the added benefit that once the US has control of an area, the air strikes stop. Have yet to see the suicide bombers stop.

[scracha]

Uh right, last I checked the average collateral damage from a US air strike would maybe be bout 10-15. Not 25-30 like the suicide bombers who don't care who they take out.

No less acceptable yes but certainly the lesser of two evils, with the added benefit that once the US has control of an area, the air strikes stop. Have yet to see the suicide bombers stop.

Bwahahah. There's lies, damed lies and statistics. You guys obviously watch too much Fox and CNN news.

[scracha]

No, bullshit political grandstanding by travelling to Iraq, meeting with and giving credibility to, someone who was responsible for the torture and murder of thousands of his own people makes him a Saddam loving twat.

As opposed to Donald Rumsfeld when he was travelling to Iraq to meet Saddam?
At least Galloway was there to try and talk him into allowing UN inspectors to search for (non existant) WMD's and thus prevent a war opposed to selling him weapons like when Rumsfeldmet Saddam.

I see now the Americans are giving the Saudi's $63 billion (USD) worth of weapons.


Never mind Iran, the biggest threat to stability in the Middle-East is the USA.

[pete376403]

Any of you middle east experts read this? Care to comment?

[Street Gerbil]

Any of you middle east experts read this? Care to comment?

Oh, that's a simple one. If it is signed "Fisk", it is a half-truth, distortion, or an outright lie. The guy goes through fireproof pants like there is no tomorrow.

[MisterD]

At least Galloway was there to try and talk him into allowing UN inspectors to search for (non existant) WMD's and thus prevent a war opposed to selling him weapons like when Rumsfeldmet Saddam.

Well my personal belief on the WMD thing is that Saddam wanted the US and allies to believe he had them, thinking that would deter an attack where his "mother of all battles" threat had failed last time around. Another pretty drastic mis-calculation...

I also think that finishing the job his Dad started and should have finished after the first gulf war is a much bigger motivator for GWB than mere oil. I'm sure there's a lot of guilt about the way uprisings in Basra etc were put down by Saddam.

Anyway all Saudi has more than enough oil for the US, and reducing that dependence is surely only a "nice to have" rather than an essential item.

[Waylander]

Bwahahah. There's lies, damed lies and statistics. You guys obviously watch too much Fox and CNN news.

I don't watch the news, when I was younger I always though it was boring and now I know they sensationalize everything. Especially bad news.

What I know is from my Brother-in-law currently serving in Iraq.

[SARGE]

Any of you middle east experts read this? Care to comment?

i dont need to read it .. ive lived it


fisk is a hack

[scumdog]

if Rumsfield (you know, the guy who armed Saddam in the first place) hadn't sacked the Iraqi army and hadn't installed a puppet government in Iraq (and before that Afghanistan) then there would be a little less violence?

Mwahahahah!

Very ferkin funny.. "a little less violence" mwahahha!