I'm a grave menace to society

[spudchucka]

Perhaps you could fill us in on how speed prior to braking is estimated from an accident scene.

v^2 = 2 u g d v = (2 u g d)^1/2 = 4.42( u d)^1/2

[ManDownUnder]

I see, and you find consorting with your betters improves your performance in this regard? I ask merely for information, I’ve had no luck at all in my attempts to consort with various chicks of extreme hotness.

I hate to say it but it proves my point... Head into a pub with a gorgeous woman and you'll have more success with the women there than if you head in alone, or with a bunch of guys.

Well it doesn't actually prove my point - there are other mechanisms at work... but it is interesting. Just have to find the first gorgeous woman. Go with a friend?

You do have female friends don't you?

[ManDownUnder]

v^2 = 2 u g d v = (2 u g d)^1/2 = 4.42( u d)^1/2

So... let's see if I understand this correctly...
Two jars of Vegemite stacked one on the other
= 2 Uneaten Green Donuts tasting of Vegemite
= 2 Uneaten Green Donuts with one 1/2 eaten placed on the other
= 4.42 Uneaten Donuts with one half eaten placed on the other?

[Ocean1]

I hate to say it but it proves my point... Head into a pub with a gorgeous woman and you'll have more success with the women there than if you head in alone, or with a bunch of guys.

Well it doesn't actually prove my point - there are other mechanisms at work... but it is interesting. Just have to find the first gorgeous woman. Go with a friend?

You do have female friends don't you?

Oh way too serious, and tantamount to an admission that one doesn’t meet the criteria for natural selection for gorgeous women, which would be altogether misleading.

Oh, and ALL females are my friend.

PD anyone?

[ManDownUnder]

Oh way too serious, and tantamount to an admission that one doesn’t meet the criteria for natural selection for gorgeous women, which would be altogether misleading.

A big admission for you to make but not so surprising consider your previous heartfelt outpourings ...

I ask merely for information, I’ve had no luck at all in my attempts to consort with various chicks of extreme hotness.

[spudchucka]

So... let's see if I understand this correctly...
Two jars of Vegemite stacked one on the other
= 2 Uneaten Green Donuts tasting of Vegemite
= 2 Uneaten Green Donuts with one 1/2 eaten placed on the other
= 4.42 Uneaten Donuts with one half eaten placed on the other?

That makes more sense than anything Mr Barnett has come up with so far.

[ManDownUnder]

That makes more sense than anything Mr Barnett has come up with so far.

LOL... dammit... no more bling available to me...

[swbarnett]

That makes more sense than anything Mr Barnett has come up with so far.

At least I'm willing to answer my critics instead of resorting to abuse. I have seen nothing in here to shift me from the notion that speed is not the menace that the authorities make it out to be.

The crux of the matter comes down to personality. Some people live in constant fear and some people just live. The trouble is that the two groups will never understand each other and the fearful will always gain more political power because we who fear less have better things to do with our lives than trying to stop other people from living.

Yes, life is precious. Note LIFE, not survival.

[Ocean1]

Head into a pub with a gorgeous woman and you'll have more success

I'm lazy, I prefer to find a pub first. The gorgeous women magically manifest themselves later, in roughly similar quantities to those of the previous, more mundane variety. The hotness of said inhabitants is readily regulated by the application of certain ancient, arcane (and also magical) beverages.

Such advance social activities require strict adherence to certain rules regarding the half-life of such magic. Sleep (for example) seems to be an all too effective antidote, resulting in sometimes severely unfortunate consequences. One has seen Cinderella after punkin hour, and one is not impressed.

[ManDownUnder]

I'm lazy, I prefer to find a pub first. The gorgeous women magically manifest themselves later, in roughly similar quantities to those of the previous, more mundane variety. The hotness of said inhabitants is readily regulated by the application of certain ancient, arcane (and also magical) beverages.

Such advance social activities require strict adherence to certain rules regarding the half-life of such magic. Sleep (for example) seems to be an all too effective antidote, resulting in sometimes severely unfortunate consequences. One has seen Cinderella after punkin hour, and one is not impressed.

Lots of words for "I got drunk and woke up with a slapper"

LOL... and I'm sure you're the only one .. Tui anyone?

[Mekk]

Whatever happened to "Innocent until PROVEN guilty". Nobody has the right to call me an accident causer without proof. This smoothie is what the courts are for. If the police can't prove in a court of law that I'm a hazard to other road user (not OTHER road users, not myself) then they should leave me alone.

He was proven to be over the speed limit, which under legislation is illegal and thus he was guilty.

You're a hazard to other road users just by being on the road. Any moving block of steel is. You're MORE of a hazard if you're travelling faster, the limit is just a gauge for that.

112km/h may not have made a difference in those conditions at that time to that driver...but that's a flaw in the system that has to be accepted for it to apply to the general populace. Again, I haven't seen suggestion of a better system here yet.

Besides, he could have just as easily NOT gone over the limit.

[spudchucka]

At least I'm willing to answer my critics instead of resorting to abuse.

I haven't abused anyone your post was crap though.

You asked earlier how police work out speed prior to braking etc. I'm not a crash investigator, I don't even work in traffic, not at all, 0% of time is spent on traffic duties. However, I have in the past attended a basic traffic crash investigators course.

There are several levels of crash investigator within the police and the guys that investigate serious crashes are walking encyclopaedias on the subject. I'm not, that's why I had to go and refer to a text book before giving you a proper answer. The following is the basic formula used to determine the initial speed of a vehicle.

The basic speed from slide to stop calculation: v = the square root of (2*g*d*f)

v = velocity (metres per second)
g = gravity, which is represented by the figure 9.81 (don't ask me why, it just is)
d = skidded distance
f = drag factor or co-efficient of friction. (the typical NZ road has a drag factor of 0.6 - 0.65)

Example:

A vehicle skids to a stop leaving 29.5 metres of skid marks and the road surface has a friction value of 0.7g.

Initial velocity = the square root of (2*9.81*29.5*0.7) = 20.13m/s

To convert metres per second to kilometres per hour you multiply it by 3.6.

20.13 * 3.6 = 72.4kph initial speed.

This is the most basic formula used. There are many variations to it and you can add in other factors such as gradients plus or minus, whether all four wheels are locked up or only three etc etc. There are also calculations for factoring in ABS and for impact velocity based upon crumple damage etc.

[Mekk]

The crux of the matter comes down to personality. Some people live in constant fear and some people just live. The trouble is that the two groups will never understand each other and the fearful will always gain more political power because we who fear less have better things to do with our lives than trying to stop other people from living.

Yes, life is precious. Note LIFE, not survival.

I feel I'm being misrepresented here. I evade cops and push limits as much as anybody here. This isn't about being scared, law-abiding citizens. This is about fronting up and accepting personal responsibility when you fuck up.

This thread was started by a dude throwing his toys out of his cot over an $80 fine. If he can't handle that, knowing the limit is 100km/h and knowing cops will ping him for doing over that, then why even ride/drive?

[Sanx]

This thread was started by a dude throwing his toys out of his cot over an $80 fine. If he can't handle that, knowing the limit is 100km/h and knowing cops will ping him for doing over that, then why even ride/drive?

Oi. I didn't throw my toys out of my cot. I ejected them in a controlled fashion.

And the main reason for the post, other than to have a general bitch, was toc omment on the complete pointlessness of the cops' actions and to demonstrate how they have turned another safe driver against them, through a complete lack of common sense and a complete failure to exercise discretion. Can't handle it? Course I can. Choose to handle it gracefully? Why the hell should I?

[MSTRS:Me]

I feel I'm being misrepresented here.

By ????

... I evade cops and push limits as much as anybody here. .... This is about fronting up and accepting personal responsibility when you fuck up.
....

Que? Care to explain how those two statements go together?