Chef stabs assailant and now faces prison.

[vifferman]

I hadn't actually read the article - I'd say that given the size of the blade, and the fact he jammed it in the boy's side up to the hilt, his actions were a bit excessive. But, we weren't there, we don't know whether he was very scared or just really pissed off, and what might have happened if he hadn't stabbed the guy. And maybe he ran off because he feared retaliation? Or just felt really bad because he'd never stabbed anyone before? I mean, a 15 year-old boy's a bit different to an aubergine, or cabbage...

[jrandom]

a 15 year-old boy's a bit different to an aubergine...

Oh, I dunno... renegade master could probably have passed for one.

[toycollector10]

Well maybe he was running for his life before the street trash reinforced and came back for him. I certainly wouldn't have been hanging around.

Okay, a 25 X 5 cm blade is over the top. This thread is about how victim and assailant have swapped roles. It's about taking responsibility for your actions, i.e. abuse and punch someone and you just might get a response you weren't expecting.

Those little c*nts might think twice next time before they make their pathetic eastside westside hand moves and crap on about their colors. How pathetic they all are. As far as I'm concerned the chef seems to have "lost it" all right but I think he is a bloody hero for reclaiming the streets for the rest of us who go about our days peacefully without punching people for wearing the wrong shirt, or shoes, or haircut, or what-ever-the-fuck-else!

Rock on chef.....

[Skyryder]

Sounds like the 'offender' had some ' previous.' The problem with this is that the police are caught in between the rock and the hard plate. If they don't prosecute the victim's family make a lot of noise and if they do prosecute there are those that cry pc bullshit etc.

If there was no other weapon involved the offender may be in trouble. Sometime late at night you just gota use you head and sit out of trouble.

Will be interesting to see how this one pans out. I'd let him off on princple that he tried doing society a favour by reducing one shithead.

Skyryder

[scumdog]

Or just felt really bad because he'd never stabbed anyone before? I mean, a 15 year-old boy's a bit different to an aubergine, or cabbage...

Oh, I don't know- an aubergine could probably out-think a lot of 15 year-olds - especially the 15 year old in this incident.

[MisterD]

The chef did little to help himself in this case. Carrying an offensive weapon is a criminal act, as is using it. So too is running from a crime scene.

And it's his word against those of his alleged assailants, one of whom was stabbed.

Let's let the criminal justice system sort this out.

Until he stuck it in the little punk, it was just a tool of his trade, not an offensive weapon.

[avgas]

Read the article - the chef's "little history of offending" can also, depending on how the reporter wants to slant the story, read as "two previous convictions".

And yet they still tried him on, shit those hoodies were really stupid. You have to remember here all he did was stab out - it wasnt like he attempted to lacerate tendons or remove an organ

And he ran from the scene instead of staying and taking responsibility for his actions. It's all very sad, but the bottom line is, an unarmed guy got stabbed.

You have just stabbed one out of a group of thugs, one has already swung at you, the others think you an opposing gang member. But your right, lets hang around an see what happens. Worked for the Chinese pizza delivery guy

Personally, I would be disappointed in myself if I ever 'snapped' and failed to contain my 'animal nature'. I despise individuals who lack the capability to control those impulses.

No comment - you have made your point.

The redneck nonsense along the lines of "the kid had it coming" that people are spouting on this thread is typical of the childish, irresponsible bullshit that drags NZ society down.

Really i thought it was the punks on the streets who annoy the rest of us so they can get rep

And you wonder why we have a problem with ethnic gangs and child abuse?

Not anymore - you cleared that right up for me

[idb]

I have trouble sympathising with the "inappropriate response" argument.

Taking the story at face value;

If the guy was terrified for his safety already he's going to use whatever's at hand to stop it happening, it appears just unfortunate that a knife was the handy object, if he was carrying a rolling pin or a cheese grater he may have used them.

The little thugs had already escalated the violence from verbal abuse to throwing objects to a physical assault, how is this young bloke to know where it might stop?

[Fatjim]

Not a bad report, doesn't seem to filled with the usual inflammatory language tainting "journalism" nowadays.

Firstly, when you're attacked by a group, you're a bloody good fighter if you can defend yourself with just your fists. It ain't a Jackie Chan movie where they all wait round to have their turn one at a time.

Secondly, how many times have we seen people charged with manslaughter after just punching somebody. I can think of 2 or three cases, one being that pro fighter who killed his Uncle.

Thirdly, if one guy from a group attacks you, if you choose to defend yourself then you are fighting the whole group.


The liberal leadership in this country, and I believe this includes the Police leadership wants us not to defend ourselves but leave this to the Police. Unfortunately this will never work. People rarely attack others when the coppers are around.

And when someone attacks you, you have no way of knowing how it will turn out. Sure the guy has thrown a punch, but what if the next one lands and knocks you down??? How do know what will happen then? Will the others join in, will you be left in a wheelchair with brain damage?

I believe that you have a right to defend yourself, not only from the immediate threat, but from what is reasonably likely to happen, and if that right to how you do that is over restricted then the deterrent to attacking people is removed.

[jrandom]

And yet they still tried him on, shit those hoodies were really stupid. You have to remember here all he did was stab out - it wasnt like he attempted to lacerate tendons or remove an organ

Lacerating tendons would have been a smarter thing to do. More disabling and less life-threatening. And he 'didn't attempt to remove an organ'? What do you call burying a 25cm knife up to the hilt in someone's torso?

You have just stabbed one out of a group of thugs, one has already swung at you, the others think you an opposing gang member. But your right, lets hang around an see what happens. Worked for the Chinese pizza delivery guy.

The Chinese pizza delivery guy was attacked with a baseball bat. Cops shoot guys with baseball bats. I have no doubt that if the kids on the bus had been swinging baseball bats, the situation would have been very different. But they were unarmed. Big difference.

Not anymore - you cleared that right up for me

Try to argue the point without getting snotty, dude.

[avgas]

It just got me thinkin, he is a chef with knives, comming home from work.
Wouldn't he be in his whites? What side is that?
The more i look into this, the more these 15 year olds should have stayed in school.

[Delerium]

Serves the kid right. Its real brave taking on one guy when you outnumber him istn it The chef just happend to have something he could use to defend himself and used it. Good job. Maybe the little shit will think twice next time. Im built like a weed and dont fancy the idea of some louts picking a fight with me for no good reason. what would of happened if the guy hadnt of had his knives on him? hed probably be in hospital himself.

Its easy to criticse, but you werent there. The guy was probably packing himself. These situations can escalate quick and can end up a case of do something or get your head bashed in.

If the little shits hadnt of been out looking for troubble it wouldnt of happened. they got what they desrved.

[idb]

Wouldn't he be in his whites? What side is that?

Ku Klux Klan?

[jrandom]

I believe that you have a right to defend yourself, not only from the immediate threat, but from what is reasonably likely to happen...

The chef wasn't trapped in a dark alleyway. He was on a bus, fer chrissakes.

"As the group got off the bus, they made more comments and one of them punched him in the mouth."

Sounds like a parting shot that he could have ignored and walked away from with nothing more than a sore face. Let's not fuck about - his pride was injured, he was carrying a weapon, the red mist came up and he used it. I'm sure a few of you can imagine doing the same thing. Doesn't mean it was the right thing to do.

I have no doubt that as it was on a bus, there were witnesses. The bus driver at least. Their description of events will have been taken into account.

And don't forget - the chef pleaded guilty to the charge of injuring with intent to cause grevious bodily harm. That means that he doesn't think he has a reasonable chance of convincing a jury that his actions met the simple definition of self defence in NZ law.

I hear a lot of ranting and beating of chests, here, about the wrong done to a guy who's already admitted in Court that he fucked up. Get some perspective, guys.

[avgas]

Lacerating tendons would have been a smarter thing to do. More disabling and less life-threatening. And he 'didn't attempt to remove an organ'? What do you call burying a 25cm knife up to the hilt in someone's torso?
The Chinese pizza delivery guy was attacked with a baseball bat. Cops shoot guys with baseball bats. I have no doubt that if the kids on the bus had been swinging baseball bats, the situation would have been very different. But they were unarmed. Big difference.
Try to argue the point without getting snotty, dude.

He stabbed - admittably i would have swung the knife, but who knows mabey it was already very close quarters (headlock etc). There was no tact.
The only unarmed person in my eyes is just that - i've seen people beaten into a puddle with teeth, makes motorbike accidents seem light.
I'm not saying let the chef go - all im saying is if you drag one down, sink the ship.
Cops shoot guys with knives - good thing he left it in the scumbag.
My point is that we cannot walk around with rose colored lenses and say that the world cannot hurt us. You have stated your point, i stated mine - it was a stalemate so i left it how it was. I don't bicker about pointless things at home and i wont here.
In a true society these punks would already be in schemes to show them not how to be scumbags, the chef could safely catch a bus home, and the news would always be boring.