Chef stabs assailant and now faces prison.

[Goblin]

I think it boils down to one of two things being the case. Either:

(a) Mr Chef shouldn't have drawn; or

(b) Mr Chef should be defending the charge.

And I guess we'll never really know which of the above is true.

I think Mr Chef should be defending the charge as it was self defence. Little shit stain should be done for assault.

Only in NZ can the perp turn it around and make the victim face charges.

[terbang]

Well if your a tough guy and punch someone in the head that just happens to have a bloody big knife in his pocket, then it just isn't your day. A consequence you should have considered before throwing the punch.
Bit like if you rob a gunshop while wielding machete... There are risks with everything we do and we really should consider them.

[scumdog]

Well if your a tough guy and punch someone in the head that just happens to have a bloody big knife in his pocket, then it just isn't your day. A consequence you should have considered before throwing the punch.
Bit like if you rob a gunshop while wielding machete... There are risks with everything we do and we really should consider them.

Like riding a motorbike while standing on the pegs and not wearing a helmet....

Anyway, back on track..
As far as shoot-to-wound goes: If it comes to the crunch I'll shoot and keep on shooting until the 'target' does as I say - and that will be "lie down on the ground".

If they do so dead? - well they picked a bad day to be a target for me.

[jrandom]

Well if your a tough guy and punch someone in the head that just happens to have a bloody big knife in his pocket, then it just isn't your day. A consequence you should have considered before throwing the punch.

Actually, to be honest, I'd prefer to live in a society where I could feel secure in the knowledge that a guy who insulted me enough to receive a punch would not be likely to subsequently respond by drawing a lethal weapon and killing me.

Yes, I know that that scenario has undoubtedly played out plenty of times throughout history, human nature being what it is, but I support the idea of criminal law that attempts to create civilised constraints on such behaviour.

Not that I have any plans on punching anyone in the head, mind you. It's just a thought experiment. And consideration of those consequences is why you'll never catch me starting a fight...

[ManDownUnder]

I think Mr Chef should be defending the charge as it was self defence. Little shit stain should be done for assault.

Only in NZ can the perp turn it around and make the victim face charges.

Yeah but... little shit was angrily throwing words and a tanty - not lethal doses of anything. Whereas the chef responded as if to a lethal threat.

Get angry yes, shout back by all means, maybe even have him evicted from the premise... but stabbing him????

[terbang]

Hmm yeah, but if you wish give someone some lip then also consider that they may up the ante and, perhaps, punch you, stab you, shoot you, nuke you or whatever back. Regardless of where it lays in the law, poking shit at others for no reason can have a consequence. Who is at fault? The provoker or the provoked? The trick is, if you arn't prepared for same or possibly worse back, breathe through your nose and move on.

[Mr Merde]

....As far as shoot-to-wound goes: If it comes to the crunch I'll shoot and keep on shooting until the 'target' does as I say - and that will be "lie down on the ground".

If they do so dead? - well they picked a bad day to be a target for me.

I have a personal friend who was employed as a bullet catcher in the diplomatic service ( of another country). He told me of a time where he was leading the group and someone used the magic word "gun"

To my mate it was instantaneous. He dropped to one knee whilst drawing his Browning. He then fired two shots ( he thought). Apparently training took over and he kept firing til the target stopped moving. His two rounds turned out to be 2 magazines, or 30 rounds. To this day he says he still only remembers firing twice.

[ManDownUnder]

Hmm yeah, but if you wish give someone some lip then also consider that they may up the ante and, perhaps, punch you, stab you, shoot you, nuke you or whatever back. Regardless of where it lays in the law, poking shit at others for no reason can have a consequence. Who is at fault? The provoker or the provoked? The trick is, if you arn't prepared for same or possibly worse back, breathe through your nose and move on.

So you're saying I can come and shoot you if your message above pisses me off? Let's face it "giving someone lip" is defined by the recipient, so any time I choose to interpret anything you say in a manner that doesn't suit me... I can retaliate with force right?

.. errr... no....

[ManDownUnder]

Three coons accost you on the bus, they're abusing you (for no other reason than you're wearing the wrong colour jacket I might add), they start throwing stuff at you... there's every chance they'll get off at your stop and attempt to 'give you the bash'. I'm bloody glad that I'm reading about some arse wipe getting stabbed (a stabbing he earnt, probably the only thing he'll earn in his life) rather than another victim of teenage crime, which I might also add is at an all time high.

Should've cut the throats of all three of them.

Bling given

[peasea]

Like riding a motorbike while standing on the pegs and not wearing a helmet....

Anyway, back on track..
As far as shoot-to-wound goes: If it comes to the crunch I'll shoot and keep on shooting until the 'target' does as I say - and that will be "lie down on the ground".

If they do so dead? - well they picked a bad day to be a target for me.

Why did I think of Waitara when I read that?

Anyway, I can't help but wonder why this chef was carrying such a knife in the first place. Can't he leave his tools of trade at his place of work? That's where my tools always used to stay when I was throwing spanners. Maybe he was temping and prefers his own blades, fair enough. However, he had it on his person and used it to defend himself; I see no problem here apart from a fucked-up legal system (it's not a justice system....) and lawyers laughing all the way to the bank.

As usual.

[terbang]

So you're saying I can come and shoot you if your message above pisses me off? Let's face it "giving someone lip" is defined by the recipient, so any time I choose to interpret anything you say in a manner that doesn't suit me... I can retaliate with force right?

.. errr... no....

Oh groan you still picking fights with me. Then fire away big fella, the stage is yours. But before you do re-read the posts again, I didn't say it was right or should be the law for an excessive retaliation, I just said it was a possible consequence. People should consider that there are people out there who may retaliate in a less than pleasant fashion.

[imdying]

Bling given

You can red bling me all you like, but the fact is, these street gangs that hang out outside of The Palms in the 'east' and Northlands in the 'west' are made up of no hoping little coons. That might offend your delicate sensibilities, but it's a fact.

[ManDownUnder]

You can red bling me all you like, but the fact is, these street gangs that hang out outside of The Palms in the 'east' and Northlands in the 'west' are made up of no hoping little coons. That might offend your delicate sensibilities, but it's a fact.

No the red bling was for a childish attempt to inflame the argument with derogatory racist name calling. Per the comment on the red bling (I think I have this right) "Come back to me when you have a decent argument".

Decent being an intentional pun BTW.

It also doesn't alter my base argument. Addressing minor threats with lethal force is outrageous and the sooner anyone doing that is out of society the better for me and mine. I have no problem with both the chef and the guy provoking him being held accountable for their actions.

Why didn't the chef just leave? Or call the cops? Those are the key questions here. The chef's use of potentially lethal force is an entirely separate issue.

Here's my interpretation.

Young guy (21) got shouted at, lost the plot - saw red and grabbed whatever was handy to kill the little mofo having a go at him. So now, in a strange kind of way... the little mofo wins. Chef loses job, has to pay said mofo compensation etc etc etc.

Why do it? There IS no upside apart from a possible 20 seconds of "feelgood"

[Mr Merde]

[quote=peasea;1162542]....Anyway, I can't help but wonder why this chef was carrying such a knife in the first place. Can't he leave his tools of trade at his place of work? ...quote]

Having run a pub/restauant in the UK I cant think of any chef who left his knives unattended at his place of work.

They are very possesive of the tools of their trade and never risk leaving them.

Those chefs who have worked their way through from prep to chef have probably built their collection of knives up over a number of years and spent a lot of money on them. They will not leave them in the kitchen or similar place.

[ManDownUnder]

But before you do re-read the posts again, I didn't say it was right or should be the law for an excessive retaliation, I just said it was a possible consequence. People should consider that there are people out there who may retaliate in a less than pleasant fashion.

I did miss previous posts... (can't find 'em now - this thing goes for pages...) you able to help?

And yes, responses of a less than pleasant fashion (I like the understatement) should always be considered. But overwhelming force has a time and place. I don't think one spotty dick shouting rude words at another spotty dick is it.