Chef stabs assailant and now faces prison.

[Biff]

Where do you draw the line as far as what these little shitheads can get away with?

The law is quite clear as to what everyone, irrespective of their ethnicity or social economic background, can and cannot get away with. Catching shitheads at it is another matter entirely.

One rule for all.

[Goblin]

Unfortunately some of us DO live in the wild west. These gangs of hoodies are only out there looking for trouble. Im not talking about the Christchurch case alone here....it's in every town and city. Not all of us are priveleged enough to be brought up in snobsville and we have to live with these little aresewipes wandering the streets looking for anything to steal or anyone to beat up. We cant rely on the law as they are too busy filling their quotas.

I have had two female family members beaten black and blue by gangs of teenage GIRLS! All for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. If the law cant protect us then we MUST be able to protect ourselves without fear of prosecution!

[Goblin]

The law is quite clear as to what everyone, irrespective of their ethnicity or social economic background, can and cannot get away with. Catching shitheads at it is another matter entirely.

One rule for all.

Well it's not clear to me anymore. Seems that hoodie losers can intimidate, abuse, assault whoever they want and the law will defend them if they end up getting hurt. It's just bloody wrong!

[rwh]

One of things that I have always understood is that if you are intimidated, threatened or whatever else one would like to call it, if you want to walk away you put the agresssor down in such a manner he is not likely to get up.

My understanding - they were on their way off the bus when they punched him. There was no question of the chef not walking away. Just serious overkill - and too close to being literally.

Richard

[Skyryder]

The law is quite clear as to what everyone, irrespective of their ethnicity or social economic background, can and cannot get away with.
One rule for all.

Actualy Biff it's not. A few years back a farmer shot some guy who was caught stealing his farm bike. The guy was shot in the back and the farmer was found not guilty. I recall other instances the most recent was that I remember was the gun dealer who shot the machette?? weilding robber. The police used their powers of discretion on this one. Self defence can be used but it is not always a succesful legal defence. If 'chummy' is as street wise as I think he is he should not have sat down the back of the bus and even if he was being hassled he had the option to move to the front of the bus and closer to the driver who may have been able to call for some kind of help etc.

The real problem is the word 'reasonable' and what constitutes reasonable force as against unreasonable force.

However having said all this I am in no way advocating that all and sundry should take the law into their own hands far from it. I think our chef had a 'history' and this may have been one of factors that led his solicitor to advising a guilty plea. As I said in an earlier post I think there is more to this than meets the eye.

Skyryder

[Goblin]

Skyryder, you are right on the money!
There is more to it than what we've seen in the media but I truely believe the little shit got what he deserved. I hope he and his mates think twice about abusing and punching someone for the colour of their clothing.

[Biff]

Actualy Biff it's not. A few years back a farmer shot some guy who was caught stealing his farm bike. The guy was shot in the back and the farmer was found not guilty.

I recall other instances the most recent was that I remember was the gun dealer who shot the machette?? weilding robber.
Skyryder

Yeah - ok, in those examples the jury/police/CPS at some stage decided that the force used during the act of self defence was in proportion to the perceived threat. Common sense decisions.

In the bus n chef instance though, from what very limited information I have available to me, the chef's response in stabbing this bum was deemed to be excessive in proportion to the threat he himself faced. So by one law for all I meant that even victims of crime are subject to the same laws as everyone else in the country, and as such if they break that law they should be subject to the same legal recourse as the real scum. Sentencing is another story though.

[scrivy]

We are constantly hearing reports of more and more 'gangsta' kids involved in crime around NZ. What are we doing about the problem?? How many murders did you hear about in NZ when you were way back at school?? (20-30 years ago). A few a year? Now we have a few a week!! How many murders are being done by young or underage c@nts that don't give a shit about our societies rules or co-habitants? At what point do we stand up and say 'Enoughs enough!!'
I'm sick of feeling unsafe in my own home. What good is an alarm system, deadbolts or floodlights if the f@ckers can still break in and cause a home invasion?? Lets face it, they don't give a rats arse about anyone other than themselves!
I heard of a case of 10-12 year olds walking the streets in Taupo at 2 in the morning with offensive weapons. If they'd been used on someone - they would have killed them!! Geezuz f@cken C@rist!!
I sometimes leave my place of work in the wee hours after a long day at work. I have to go into a dark carpark area with no lights etc at the back of some buildings. Do I feel safe? F@CK NO!!
Why should I (or infact all other NZers) feel scared to do the normal day to day operations of any hard working Kiwis? Why are we being backed into a corner? I can see why people lash out at the little punks. They deserve all that they get.
Imagine if Mr Chef was pushed to the ground and the punks saw his knives in his belt. Imagine then if he had tried to go for his knives. Do you think that Mr Chef would have been left unscathed? The pieces of shit would have done as per the baseball bat scenario, and Mr Chef would just be another statistic in NZs shameful history!!
If only the tables were turned, and the braindead f@cks were scared of us!!
We've turned so PC, and as it currently stands, it will only get worse!

[Skyryder]

Yeah - ok, in those examples the jury/police/CPS at some stage decided that the force used during the act of self defence was in proportion to the perceived threat. Common sense decisions.

In the bus n chef instance though, from what very limited information I have available to me, the chef's response in stabbing this bum was deemed to be excessive in proportion to the threat he himself faced. So by one law for all I meant that even victims of crime are subject to the same laws as everyone else in the country, and as such if they break that law they should be subject to the same legal recourse as the real scum. Sentencing is another story though.

In the case of the stolen farm bike self defence was not the issue. The Police rightly charged the farmer with murder. I do not recall the details of the case other than self defence was not an issue. It's bit hard to claim this when you have shot someone in the back. The jury bought in a not guilty verdict.

The better half of me agrees with the rest of your post.


Skyryder

[scrivy]

It shouldn't be a persons right to exist in our society.
People should earn the right and be a valuable contributing member of our society. We will all live better then.

[Goblin]

So by one law for all I meant that even victims of crime are subject to the same laws as everyone else in the country, and as such if they break that law they should be subject to the same legal recourse as the real scum.

By this reasoning the three shitheads should be up for aggravated assault?

[Mr Merde]

Unfortunately some of us DO live in the wild west. These gangs of hoodies are only out there looking for trouble. Im not talking about the Christchurch case alone here....it's in every town and city. Not all of us are priveleged enough to be brought up in snobsville and we have to live with these little aresewipes wandering the streets looking for anything to steal or anyone to beat up. We cant rely on the law as they are too busy filling their quotas.

I have had two female family members beaten black and blue by gangs of teenage GIRLS! All for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. If the law cant protect us then we MUST be able to protect ourselves without fear of prosecution!

In support of this statement I can only respond with an experience of my own.

Been back from the Uk 4 years now. About 6 months after getting back I spent a very pleasant evening in the pub til about 2 am. I had about three quarter of an hour walk home and headed off. Soon after leaving the pub I noticed that someone had fallen in behind me and I kept taking quick glances to see if he was still there. he was and he was keeping pace.

After a short while the effects of the beer took its toll and I needed to take a pee. There is a piece of bush on my way and as I got there I stepped into
the bush to relieve myself. As I did this the person following suddenly quickened his pace and came rushing into the bush after me. I didnt even hesitate. I smacked him before he even had time to think and kept on smacking him till he went down on the ground. I left him there and went home to my house.

Found out the next day that there had been a lowlife hanging around town pestering people and he had suddenly shown up with all the signs of having received a beating.

Should I have thrown those punches? Should I have not put the boot in to keep him on the ground? Should i have waited until he had made his intentions known to me? He may have only been asking for directions. At the time I felt extremely threatened and i reacted in a manner I felt appropriate at the time. I felt and still do that if i hadnt reacted the way i did it would have been me lying there on the ground. Did I report the incident, like hell I did. I would have been letting myself be open for prosecution for assault. If i had a club I would have used that and if he had of come at me with a skiv and i were able to get it off of him i would have used it on him. I am normally a very mild person, I prefer to walk away from trouble rather than stand there and get involved. This particular night I didnt run I protected myself by preemptive violence and felt good about doing so.

If it were me and these people were having a go at and i couldnt get away I would react in a very similar way. I would seriously hurt as many of them as possible before they could do it to me.

If this offends others I make no appologies. Prior to this I have only told one other person of the incedent. I'm not proud of violence but I am pleased that, that night I WASNT A VICTIM

Mr

[Biff]

By this reasoning the three shitheads should be up for aggravated assault?

At least one of them from what I hear.

[sAsLEX]

The chef did little to help himself in this case. Carrying an offensive weapon is a criminal act, as is using it. So too is running from a crime scene.

And it's his word against those of his alleged assailants, one of whom was stabbed.

Let's let the criminal justice system sort this out.

So how does he get his work tools to and from work. I mean a hammer is a weapon, as is a screwdriver should builders be arrested?

And he ran from the scene instead of staying and taking responsibility for his actions. It's all very sad, but the bottom line is, an unarmed guy got stabbed.

Wonder why he ran now that he is in court for defending himself....... with todays justice system sometimes it is not wise to stay and see how the Judge will view things.

[shafty]

If this offends others I make no appologies. Prior to this I have only told one other person of the incedent. I'm not proud of violence but I am pleased that, that night I WASNT A VICTIM

Mr

No offence taken - bloody good on you!