Police must take some blame, says dead boy's sister

[yod]

...here's another one to ponder: apparently it is Muslim awareness week for us kiwis. That's cool, but where's the reciprocation, ie Christian awareness week for Muslims...??? Tail, dog, wagging the?? and why do the majority have to understand/empathise/pander to the minority so much and so often?

excuse the but

why are you making the presumptuous relation between a) the majority b) kiwis and c) christianity??

this is not a christian country and they are certainly not the majority (thank christ...pun intended), although bishop brian would have you believe otherwise

if you wanna start talking PC shyte - can you imagine the outcry from the minority religious sector if we had atheism/secular awareness week? for some reason we have to be tolerant of that idiocy dont we...

if i've misinterpreted the intention of your post then please disregard

rant over

[Grahameeboy]

Christian [/I]awareness week for Muslims...??? Tail, dog, wagging the?? and why do the majority have to understand/empathise/pander to the minority so much and so often?

As a Christian I respect all religions every day because that is what Christians should do.

But Christians are not the majority in this Country.............it is people and I would hope that Kiwi's should understand other religions.

[yod]

As a Christian I respect all religions every day because that is what Christians should do.

actually mate, you might wanna read deuteronomy chapter 13....your boss sees it a little differently

[Grahameeboy]

actually mate, you might wanna read deuteronomy chapter 13....your boss sees it a little differently

Mmmm...No....I was not talking about worshiping other Gods.....read Acts Chapter 5

[Sanx]

As a Christian I respect all religions every day because that is what Christians should do.

Why just religions? Why not just be respectful of people?

But Christians are not the majority in this Country.............it is people and I would hope that Kiwi's should understand other religions.

Understand is all very well and good, but what the Muslim Awareness week seeks to do is make people more respectful of Muslims and Islam in general. Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Sikhs, Zoroastrians all expect the same; to have people respect their religion.

But why should anyone be any more respectful of someone's religious belief than they should be respectful of their support for a particular rugby club or the fact they're a member of the Labour Party? The problem is that religions do demand respect and get very upset (yes, there is a difference between burning people alive and a strongly-worded letter to The NZ Herald) when someone does not give their religion the respect they think it deserves.

I might not set out to deliberately offend, but I'm certainly not going to give any more respect to someone's religious beliefs than I am to someone's theory that Suzukis rock or someone who believes his wife's good-looking.

This really is off-topic though. Apologies...

[Grahameeboy]

Why just religions? Why not just be respectful of people?

You know what I mean, I was responding specifically to a post

Understand is all very well and good, but what the Muslim Awareness week seeks to do is make people more respectful of Muslims and Islam in general. Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Sikhs, Zoroastrians all expect the same; to have people respect their religion.

But why should anyone be any more respectful of someone's religious belief than they should be respectful of their support for a particular rugby club or the fact they're a member of the Labour Party? The problem is that religions do demand respect and get very upset (yes, there is a difference between burning people alive and a strongly-worded letter to The NZ Herald) when someone does not give their religion the respect they think it deserves.

I might not set out to deliberately offend, but I'm certainly not going to give any more respect to someone's religious beliefs than I am to someone's theory that Suzukis rock or someone who believes his wife's good-looking.

This really is off-topic though. Apologies...

I agree and no one is forcing people......it is still your choice, your decison, however spreading a little bit of love is not a bad thing.

[scumdog]

Go to a "all thing deserve respect" or something thread and keep this one on topic you two - you're starting to sound like Zed

[slowpoke]

I pretty much agree with the sentiment expressed by most people so far but I don't know that political correctness has got much to do with it. There's a definite "everyone is a victim", lack of responsibility mentality but I'm not sure where the PC angle is coming from.

I reckon it's got more to do with discretion.

It used to be that the media would give a grieving family some space, now days it's stuff a microphone in their face and ask the classic "How do you feel?" question. They used to know that people said a lot of shit when they are grieving/distraught and would moderate their own reporting accordingly. Now it's seen as a great way to obtain a sensational quote, often causing more pain for those struggling to cope with the original events. Given time the sister will probably arrive at the appropriate conclusion regarding what has happened, unfortunately the media have caught her at what has probably been her darkest hour when she is wanting to lash out at anyone and everyone associated with the event.

A bit of discretion...a bit of nowse is what's required. Of course, it's a fine line between showing discretion and not imparting a fair description of the events. One would naively think this concept would be imparted during a journalism degree...one would be wrong. Unfortunately I reckon journalists have quite literally joined the ambulance chasing lawyers and should be afforded the same lack of respect.

[Grahameeboy]

Go to a "all thing deserve respect" or something thread and keep this one on topic you two - you're starting to sound like Zed

Sorry.........................

[Sanx]

Go to a "all thing deserve respect" or something thread and keep this one on topic you two - you're starting to sound like Zed

Yes boss.

(Now, if it's about cops automatically deserving respect...)

[Mekk]

Go to a "all thing deserve respect" or something thread and keep this one on topic you two - you're starting to sound like Zed

I blame scumdog for taking this thread off topic. No one's feelings would have been hurt if he didn't give chase.

I demand reparations.

[Manxman]

excuse the but

why are you making the presumptuous relation between a) the majority b) kiwis and c) christianity??

this is not a christian country and they are certainly not the majority (thank christ...pun intended), although bishop brian would have you believe otherwise

if you wanna start talking PC shyte - can you imagine the outcry from the minority religious sector if we had atheism/secular awareness week? for some reason we have to be tolerant of that idiocy dont we...

if i've misinterpreted the intention of your post then please disregard

rant over

...apologies. My presumption is based on a 30sec google research of Stats NZ...
"Christian religions:* In the 2006 Census, just over 2 million people, or 55.6 percent of those answering the religious affiliation question, affiliated with a Christian religion (including Māori Christian). This compares with the 2001 Census, when 60.6 percent of people affiliated with a Christian religion."

Therefore, a) the majority; b) of kiwis; c) are Christian.

Helen Clark (the master, nay mistress...nay keep master...of PC) would have us believe that NZ is not a Christian society. Apologies (again), but it is. Really. Push comes to shove, NZ is a secular, but Christian majority, country.

BTW(1) I can imagine the outcry if an atheism week were promoted, and I also presume to know who that outcry would come from...the same people who promote mainstream PC sh*te in the first place.

What it also is, is secular - which is the point I am presuming you wish to make. I am all for mutual respect and understanding, but I'm not seeing a helluva lot of luv coming back t'other way right now...my point is it's all one way traffic.

This govt is trying to be all things to all minorities, and progressively marginalising the majority in the process. (General question, to all male readers). What about promoting men's issues (hell, even feeling good about being a man), boys education lagging behind girls, teaching respect for parents/authority figures, personal responsibility, don't run from the law...hell don't even get in a car that you're not qualified to drive...the right to discipline your own child, the right for the majority to say "ok dude, that's enough PC sh*te, start sticking to your knitting". Hell I could go on and on...

Religion is a dangerous topic (the cause of many significant wars wouldn't you know...there's definitely an irony in that), of which I know little (clearly) and, even less understand. Therefore, I will leave you all to it ...good luck.

BTW(2), I'm a Jedi...
BTW(3), I'm not radical, extremist, racist, sexist, ultra right wing, or any of that nonsense, but hell you can sort of understand why some people get that way!!
BTW(4) I just know I'm gonna get some serious sh*t back on this, but it's how I feel and I definitely feel better for it....respect that! hehehehe

[MD]

But of course blame the cops! They're the media's enemy and who else to get reparations from, Mercury Energy?

You might be on to something here. Maybe Mercury Energy controlled the street lighting near the bridge? Bingo, yet again we have fabricated a way to move personal responsibility onto Mercury and extract a cash settlement. Helen will be so pleased.
I doubt that there is any event now that I can not link to Mercury Energy.

[Mekk]

I doubt that there is any event now that I can not link to Mercury Energy.

Oh dude, I know. I've been pissing off my workmates for some time with that...

"I wasn't late on my break, Mercury energy runs the break-room clock you see."

etc.

Great fun.

[howdamnhard]

I agree,thats basically whats wrong with this frigging country,everybody has gone PC to the point of stupidity-net result chaos and madness.

This is the 21st century kidies - no such thing as personal responsibility any more - it's always "somebody elses" fault.

If it had been the dumb-arse sisters car and had been stolen and NOT chased I bet she would have sung a different song.