Workplace urine test

[LilSel]

Yes of course! But you can not deny financial support for struggling families, it is about supporting them. Support being the operative word here, takes more than a bit of weekly financial assistance to ensure our children are safe.

I agree... Here's hoping some proactive changes come into place to help keep children safer. Sick of seeing the headlines of late.
A few bad apples...

[Grahameeboy]

Very fair comment. I don't see why we need the damn dole anyway for able bodied people.

Some people are able bodied but unemployable.

Only people with physical or mental problems who can't work in mainstream society should get the dole.

You run risk of these folk not getting work and / or making it easier for the Govt to pay dole than spend money helping these folk get jobs. I would like my Daughter to work if she lives than long.........she is mentally alert but just cannot weight bear so some employers make be wary.


Or if they have to give able bodied people the dole, the payments should decrease by 5-10% every week.

And make them destitute after 10 weeks....what does that achieve.

There is no easy answer but penalising those less fortunate than us is not gonna achieve anything.

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[paturoa]

So lets have a conversation that includes a distinction between those who need support, and a'holes who don't.

Trying to justify / validate giving my hard earnt money, to a'holes who don't, by using examples of those who genuinely need my support, is illogical, and at best a waste of electrons.

I know one, he is my brother (sort of rhymes with stoner?),... anyway several times over the years he told me that he was bored with working (or whatever), so he regularly went back on the dole. He kept telling me what is (un)employment status was until one day I told him what I realy thought. It was quite a short conversation.

To this day he never mentions it .....

So for me, the real issue is here is how do we tell the difference between the two.

Drug testing seems a good suggestion to me to start to find the difference. There are probably some others too but that would be off topic?

[Maha]

Are you confused or what? He means my mothers son, who also just happens to be my wifes husband.

Now that i understand completely....

[Zuki Bandit]

Amen to that mate. You hit the nail on the head!!!

[kiwifruit]

http://www.passthetest.com/

[paturoa]

http://www.passthetest.com/

Did you see the footnote, this was actualy copied from the Chinese Olympic Committee website.

Edit: ahh - I miss the cut and thrust of a pointless Finn, the_dover or Winja post on topics like this!

[kiwifruit]

Did you see the footnote, this was actualy copied from the Chinese Olympic Committee website.

[deanohit]

Me, I'm was bored with my previous jobs, but I didnt go on the dole, I used a part of my savings to take 6 monthes off. When that ran out I worked until I'd topped up the savings again and had saved enough for some time off again. Me I can work and afford to do what I want and would rather not go on the benefit. I recently gave a mate of mine a rev up about how he hadnt held a job for very long in the 3 years after he left school. He was just bludging of his parents and the dole. We went and found him a job as a decky on a boat within a week and hes a new guy now, not bored, can afford to fix his car and still has money in his pocket. I'm all for drug testing people on the benefit unless you have a good and valid reason such as been a caregiver or something.

[justsomeguy]

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Fair points.

Your daughter can work according to what you say and personally I hope she does find something she enjoys when she is ready and works till she happily retires of old age.

I'm talking about the lowlifes who should work but can't. I've cleaned toilets, flipped burgers and done what it takes in my day, there are always jobs available for those willing to work and willing to put the effort in.

Sure, there are exceptions but there are plenty of people as smart and capable as you who choose to sit on the dole. Maybe 5% a month is more appropriate a drop off.

[justsomeguy]

Me, I'm was bored with my previous jobs, but I didnt go on the dole, I used a part of my savings to take 6 monthes off. When that ran out I worked until I'd topped up the savings again and had saved enough for some time off again. Me I can work and afford to do what I want and would rather not go on the benefit. I recently gave a mate of mine a rev up about how he hadnt held a job for very long in the 3 years after he left school. He was just bludging of his parents and the dole. We went and found him a job as a decky on a boat within a week and hes a new guy now, not bored, can afford to fix his car and still has money in his pocket. I'm all for drug testing people on the benefit unless you have a good and valid reason such as been a caregiver or something.

If you don't mind me asking what do you do? Can't be all that bad if you can save that much

[deanohit]

If you don't mind me asking what do you do? Can't be all that bad if you can save that much

Was building and landscaping. Work my arse off doin long hours and save as much as I can. Dont drink much and no drugs, ciggies or girlfriend, so I live pretty cheap.

[TLMAN]

I think they should start giving out vouchers instead of hard cash, for supermarkets and the warehouse etc, and they should pay the rent money straight to the landllord or housing nz.

[rwh]

I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to earn that pay cheque, as I work in the timber industry, I am required to pass a random urine test, with which I have no problem in passing .

What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare cheque because I have to pass one to earn it for them??

I don't have to pass a urine test; nor AIUI do most of the working population. I assume the reason someone in the timber industry does is for safety reasons. There are no special safety issues with either sitting on the couch or looking for work.

Please understand – I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet.

I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sit on their arse drinking piss & smoking dope all day.

Sure, that's a problem. But that's different from cutting off their money, and therefore their ability to live.

Please pass this along if you agree or simply delete if you don't.

Ha. That's a recipe for a nice balanced discussion. Not.

That's the main reason I join in these political discussions - otherwise a casual observer could conclude that my opinions are in line with the majority of kiwibiker expressed opinions. I live in hope that there are many who disagree with those expressed opinons who can't be bothered or can't see the point in disagreeing.

Richard

[rwh]

Only people with physical or mental problems who can't work in mainstream society should get the dole.

There are varying degrees of such problems.

As soon as you label someone (or insist that they declare themselves) as having a "mental problem", for one thing you'll reduce their self-esteem and probably make the problem worse, and for another make it much harder to get a job in the future - who'd want to employ someone with a 'mental problem'?

For example: I have spent time on the dole (though not spending it on drink or drugs) with motivational problems, but I'm not permanently unemployable.

Richard