Attitude readjustment

[terbang]

Mmmmm...Southern Comfort.

I hear the French call that stuff LeGopener..!

[Her_C4]

I hear the French call that LeGopener..?

...... veeeeery good

[doc]

Motorcycling needs to lose the "it's us against the world" mentality - that's what encourages the Skidmarks of our society. Comments like "above all else he's a biker and a brother" are better off on the big screen in some cheesy Wild Ones remake. People need to stop and realise Motorcycling is just a common interest we have - it's not a bond that binds us.

F.ck this will wind some up. I totally agree with you. Motorcycles are a passion , bit imature when you analyse it too much. not a sensible choice of transport, cold, no creature comforts, not really economic in a lot of situations. But who would ride from Auckland to Brass Monkey at the start of winter on one of the friggen things stay the night, in what could be a really hostile environment. Or ride one of the things around a track to the max with the possibility that a mistake will really hurt at the least and cost a lot of money. Or even just having one and riding it on the weekends so you can feel cool. It's an adventure or pushing the limits or just saying fu.k you to normality. We all fuck it up by getting quite critcal of various trivia like "Hondas are Gay" "Harley riders don't wave" "Sportsters are a girls bike". Sprotsbikes etc . But the point I think being made is we are not a Gang who are too stupid to make our own decisions and don't follow the flock for the sake of it .Some ride bikes to demonstate attitude maybe because they have a helmet (Mask) on so no one will see who they are so they can show attitude without getting caught. Maybe part of registration practice for KB'r should include Tattooing your user name on your forehead. Just because you ride a bike doesn't mean you have joined "the gang"

[Oakie]

You'll also love taking a pee without having to strip off yer leathers.

But not so much the forgetting to 'arrange yourself' at the start and having an uncomfortable ride.

[terbang]

But not so much the forgetting to 'arrange yourself' at the start and having an uncomfortable ride.

You mean you don't tape it to your ankle?

[Goblin]

But not so much the forgetting to 'arrange yourself' at the start and having an uncomfortable ride.

That'd be more of a 'Package Adjustment'

[Oakie]

Are your a motorcyclist - or do you just use it for transport as there is a difference.

Interesting question. I use my bike everyday to go to work so I primarily use it for transport (although I of course get out in the weekend whenever I can).
Mrs Oakie only takes her's out in the weekend so doesn't use it for transport at all. Is she then the more pure motorcyclist as she only uses it for riding just for the pleasure of riding while I use mine 5 days out of 7 for the practical purpose of going to work?

Perhaps those maligned 'only in the weekend' riders ARE the real riders?

[Oakie]

You mean you don't tape it to your ankle?

Only if I'm sitting in the 'lotus' position.

[Goblin]

Interesting question. I use my bike everyday to go to work so I primarily use it for transport (although I of course get out in the weekend whenever I can).
Mrs Oakie only takes her's out in the weekend so doesn't use it for transport at all. Is she then the more pure motorcyclist as she only uses it for riding just for the pleasure of riding while I use mine 5 days out of 7 for the practical purpose of going to work?

Perhaps those maligned 'only in the weekend' riders ARE the real riders?

I really miss the days when my bike was my only means of transport. Only another 10-13 years until I hope it will be again.

Only if I'm sitting in the 'lotus' position.

You funny bugga!

[Oakie]

I really miss the days when my bike was my only means of transport. Only another 10-13 years until I hope it will be again.

Yeah. A good ride to work is just the best way to start the day and I just love the feeling of riding away from work at the end of a hard day as you can just feel the day's troubles just drain away. Regardless of the day, I'm always in a good mood when I arrive at work and again when I get back home.

[discotex]

Yeah. A good ride to work is just the best way to start the day and I just love the feeling of riding away from work at the end of a hard day as you can just feel the day's troubles just drain away. Regardless of the day, I'm always in a good mood when I arrive at work and again when I get back home.

Absolutely! I used to arrive at work stressed, drained and basically ready to go home. Since I started riding every day I arrive refreshed and ready. I'd struggle to go back to driving a car to work.

Not to mention the hour or more a day that I now get to do other shit like read KB

[scumdog]

Birds of a feather, flock together.
Motorcycles aren't for everyone but obviously some of us just love em. Like anything else of common interest, we tend to share a common kinship or bond with 'our kind' and look after our own. It is good to share and learn from others as well in a common interest. I am naturally more likely to gravitate toward a bunch of bikers or aviators than perhaps a lawn bowls club or a bunch of trekkies. Its not bikers against the world but rather bikers looking after each other. As I guess the trekkies do.

As I said earlier Mr T. - the one word that covers most of it is 'empathy'.

Most have that but don't expect to have to be a 'brotherhood'.

[Boob Johnson]

I think that Katman has raised an issue that's worthy of reasoned, intelligent discussion. Members who aren't up to that task should focus their vitriol elsewhere.

Maybe it is worthy maybe its not, what some members have an issue with isn't that katman has very few posts its the vast majority are extremely negative, argumentative & plain shit stirring, so when they see another post/thread by Katman it's understandable they are sceptical to him being genuine in his intentions.

I think that was entirely the point I was trying to make.

I have no problem with the "it's me against the world" approach to riding, my original post clearly states "us against the world". It's the whole "I don't know you from Adam but I'll stick by you because you're a biker" concept that I have a problem with. Would you really align yourself with a rapist simply because he rides a motorcycle?

This is a classic example of Katman's BS. I don't believe there is a person on KB'er that feels that way, your just splitting hairs, arguing for the sakes of it, no one thinks that at all. So no I don't think this thread has a valid point other than to confirm once again Katman is an extremely immature plonker.


Katman you arrogantly continue to remind everyone you have been riding for 25 yrs which you think gives you some Jedi type powers of worldly comprehension that no one else could possibly obtain unless they have riden a bike for as long.


Grow up man, I know teenagers more mature that

Where did that come from? Talk about out of left field. I get what you're trying to point out but man what a way to make your point....

I've not seen one person on KB say (or imply) that they would stick by any biker no matter what. It's just a starting point mate. It's why you're on KB in the first place. Hell plenty make it clear they just want to do their own thing.

Other than the "dumb cager" comments here and there I have no idea where you get the idea that KB'ers are promoting an us-vs-them mentality.

Exactly!! He pulls it out of thin air like it's a fact when he's the only one who is actually saying it

The point I'm trying to make is, wtf does "above all else he's/she's a biker" mean? Does it mean that over and above the fact that he/she may be a total scumbag, he/she rides a motorbike and therefore should be seen and treated as a "brother/sister"?

So are you trying to say when a biker is down we need to first ascertain that they aren't a scumbag first then help? Are you saying if you came across an accident, stopped to help & when you got to the burning car & realised it was Chris Kahui inside the burning car, would you walk away?

We know what you mean, it's been covered time and time again, you just want to stir the pot, your not genuinely looking for answers.

[Brian d marge]

Must chip in here , for the most part I can see where Katman is coming from , and I tend to share similar opinions .

From the biker down , to accidents , to u name it , after a touch over 25 years of working riding , racing ..( well if you can call it that ) in the industry ,,, well .. nothing really gets my back up

Stupidity does . ( safety at races and the she will be right attitude can piss me off , mainly cos there are peoples actions have dramatic consequences on other peoples lives . So does Apathy as that effects my life.... ( 24k student loan thanks very much )

I chose to ride , So my actions have an effect on my family , so I do my best to see that those effects aren't negative ( such as riding like a paranoid old women on the road , and leave the racing for the dirt ..and in the last 10 years ,,I cant remember a scary moment ...not one ...no not one ...

while biking isn't a brotherhood ,( I have a brother ,, just as well he likes bikes to ) .. it IS a shared interest , of shared experiences something which 92 % of the population will never understand ( I need a motorbike or I get Madd ..motorcycle affected disorder , and thus sad )

Now I like helping people.. I like it , its no problem for me and it doesn't cause me any inconvenience , so whether its a Hells angel , rugby player in a car , or Paris Hilton in a short skirt ....I will pull over and help ,,,

Chris ka( whats his face ) ... yes I would help him from the car , ( He wouldn't like me on his Jury , but thats for another day )

So back to bikes

I am looking forward to the next VMX next month ...the Enfield may be ready ,,, and I have a new BBQ ...

Life is looking good


Stephen

[skidMark]

Motorcycling needs to lose the "it's us against the world" mentality - that's what encourages the Skidmarks of our society. Comments like "above all else he's a biker and a brother" are better off on the big screen in some cheesy Wild Ones remake. People need to stop and realise Motorcycling is just a common interest we have - it's not a bond that binds us.

I have read every post in this entire thread yes all eight pages. A very interesting read indeed, i have come to the conclusion. That you are a prick. In saying this though, if you had an accident i would do everything i possibly could to help you, as i am not a person that holds a grudge.

Here is a good example of this:

I was a pillion on the thursday night ride, the bike infront had a pillion passenger, to give thier member names on kiwibiker is not needed so i will not say them. the pillion passenger went to change his grip and fell off the bike. right infront of the bike i was pillion on the bike i was on locked up the rear wheel and was heading for a ditch, but the rider managed to save it whilst dodging the rider, the first thing i did was start running in the opposite direction, to see the pillion from the bike that was infront of us try to stand up stumble 2 steps then collapse to the ground.

Now the pillion rider who had come off we had been friends for a while, and at one point on the thursday night ride i passed him coming into a corner and he had a bit of a go at me which looing back now was a fair point, but up until this crash i did not really associate with him much. but my first reaction was to run as fast as i could the 100 metres or so down a busy road to get to him and attend to him it's called empathy and giving a shit about somebody else.

Luckily he was ok.

What was the point of that story?

That no matter how much of a prick i think you are no matter how much you dig into me, hate me, think i'm an idiot/maniac or whatever else you can think of.

If you had a crash or needed help then i would help you i would not just laugh and keep going and mutter something about karma.

Yes my riding needs some work , my self control needs work, thats why i made a thread, i knew i would get abused but i also knew i would get some help out of it which is what i needed.

If you do not want to read threads about biker down. which you always bitch and moan about, then do not open them, do not read them, you are in control of what you read on here, and you are the one in control of replying or not, i suggest you read over your posts katman, and decide what it is you are trying to achieve, to piss people off, to shit stir, or simply to voice an opinion. I am all for voicing an opinion but making personal attacks on those you have never met and showing what seems to me like no empathy whatsoever yes you would stop at a crash , but it's not just about that.

Yes, we do all give each other shit around here alot of it quite jokingly and you are also right that just because we share a common interest it doesnt mean we have to get along.

In saying this, for those of us that want to talk about motorcycles and things motorcycle related and basically anything else in the rant or rave section, this site is a great resource, and i have made some friends that i'm sure i will have until the day i die because of this forum. Also yes there are some people i do not like, not everybody is going to get along, this is not a perfect world, infact far from it.

Poke shit all you want katman, if you are here to talk about bikes go ahead talk about bikes and hey whatever else, but do not make personnal attacks it is uncalled for to constantly use me for your personal entertainment and the focus point of your abuse, if you do not like me, add me to your ignore list, or perhaps not reply. The choice is yours.

You have very strong opinions katman and i can appreciate that, but there is no need to single me out, and i think you need to note that there are boundrys and a thread of a biker down is no place to sling abuse at fellow members, take it to a private message conversation but do not jump into other peoples threads when you know full well what you are saying is not appropriate to put in that thread. Maybe you just want others to dislike you, i do not know, as i have not met you.

Take from this what you will katman sling more abuse or whatever, it is achieving you nothing except maybe some strange sort of pleasure going well shit i showed that skidMark didn't i fuck i net bashed the little cunt good and proper.

Well done a gold star for you.

What does it achieve, wasting what little time you have on this planet your on average 70-75 years, why are you wasting it getting all upset over things that in all honesty do not matter.

Life is short, enjoy the time you have, you never know when it's up.

If you read this post and instantly want to dig into me thats fine go ahead katman, but once you have calmed down i want you to read it again and again until you understand and maybe realise what you are doing is pointless and in a way pathetic.

You seem to always start arguements to get people worked up and well done you achieve it everytime.

What is the purpose though what does this achieve for you?

So many questions don't answer any if you like, or maybe just answer them to yourself perhaps.

I hope someday we can get along without slinging abuse at each other we don't have to be friends and in no way would i ever expect that to happen, but keep it civil.

Regards: Mark.