Page 1 of 15 12311 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 219

Thread: Pakeha

  1. #1
    Join Date
    9th December 2005 - 21:40
    Bike
    Barry
    Location
    Ellerslie
    Posts
    183

    Pakeha

    My sister and I have been having a lot of discussions on this topic lately. She has just started her teaching degree and is doing a paper called 'diversity'. I have encountered this horrible word throughout my three years doing my degree.
    Does anyone else find the term 'pakeha' offensive?
    It annoys me deeply that all the literature I read refers to me as 'pakeha' and that I have to sit through lectures and be called 'pakeha'. Yes I really should make a stand to my classes, but if you saw the ethnicity spread, and then saw me you would understand! (The other day I was called 'petite')

    The fact is, pakeha was first used to call the Europeans 'white pig' or some other variant. Yet if I went around calling them horries or niggers people would do a little more than raise their eyebrows.

    Please don't tell me I am the only one! This is one of the few times my sexy red hair gets the better of me!
    I'm gonna make it so PC

  2. #2
    Join Date
    2nd November 2005 - 07:09
    Bike
    2001 DUCATI 900SS
    Location
    Auckland, New Zealand, Ne
    Posts
    4,219
    Nah don't bother me..............it is my choice whether to take offence....it is only a name.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    27th November 2003 - 12:00
    Bike
    None any more
    Location
    Ngaio, Wellington
    Posts
    13,111
    Pakeha, despite allegations about its origins, is a name generally used to denote a non-Maori person. No offence is generally intended in its use, so none should be taken.
    "Standing on your mother's corpse you told me that you'd wait forever." [Bryan Adams: Summer of 69]

  4. #4
    Join Date
    14th April 2005 - 12:00
    Bike
    1990 Yamaha Virago XV1100
    Location
    Dunedin
    Posts
    3,685
    I'm also uncomfortable with its' use, particularly on official documents. I always cross it out and write "New Zealander".
    Can I believe the magic of your size... (The Shirelles)

  5. #5
    Join Date
    8th November 2004 - 11:00
    Bike
    GSXR 750 the wanton hussy
    Location
    Not in Napier now
    Posts
    12,765
    Tis only a label. And we do like our labels, don't we? Like Coon, Nigger, Coconut, Darky.....
    Yes, the word 'pakeha' is derogatory. That's fine. Problem is, us palefaces aren't allowed to use the labels we developed.
    Racism at work....
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

  6. #6
    Join Date
    31st March 2003 - 13:09
    Bike
    CBR1000RR
    Location
    Koomeeeooo
    Posts
    5,559
    Blog Entries
    9
    $2,000 cash if you find a buyer for my house, kumeuhouseforsale@straightshooters.co.nz for details

  7. #7
    Join Date
    3rd July 2003 - 12:00
    Bike
    Scorpio, XL1200N
    Location
    forests of azure
    Posts
    9,398
    Quote Originally Posted by BuFfY
    My sister and I have been having a lot of discussions...
    The Wikipedia page on 'pakeha' indicates that your ideas about the term being offensive are false.

    The exact origins of the word Pākehā are unknown, although the most likely sources are the words pākehakeha or pakepakehā, which refer to mythical human-like creatures, with fair skin and hair, sometimes described as having come from the sea.

    When Europeans first arrived they rowed to shore on longboats. British sailors faced backwards while rowing the boats to shore. In traditional Māori canoes or "waka", paddlers face the direction of travel. This led to the belief that the sailors had eyes in the backs of their heads, contributing to the mythical view.


    You need to stop being so precious, and do a little research before passing your blinkered middle-class prejudices on to the young impressionables about to be entrusted to your care.

    [Edit: MDU beat me to it.]
    kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
    - mikey

  8. #8
    Join Date
    3rd July 2003 - 12:00
    Bike
    Scorpio, XL1200N
    Location
    forests of azure
    Posts
    9,398
    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    Yes, the word 'pakeha' is derogatory.
    No, it isn't.
    kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
    - mikey

  9. #9
    Join Date
    2nd September 2003 - 13:12
    Bike
    A Tractor
    Location
    Westish
    Posts
    2,451
    Blog Entries
    3
    Quote Originally Posted by BuFfY View Post
    Does anyone else find the term 'pakeha' offensive?
    Nup..... been called a lot worse than that

  10. #10
    Join Date
    21st December 2005 - 23:41
    Bike
    HONDA EXPRESS
    Location
    forest brightly feathered
    Posts
    6,457

    Thumbs up

    i don't mind, bro

    www.PhotoRecall.co.nz

  11. #11
    Join Date
    3rd July 2003 - 12:00
    Bike
    Scorpio, XL1200N
    Location
    forests of azure
    Posts
    9,398
    I'd like to expand on this discussion a little by presenting an opposing viewpoint.

    Personally, I like not having to identify with my Teutonic and Yiddish ethnic roots. I feel no cultural affinity with continental Europe. I was born here in NZ. Having a unique word in the official language of the country, a language spoken nowhere else, which precisely describes my ethnicity, is fucking cool.

    Pakeha and proud of it.

    Ngati Honky, represent!

    kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
    - mikey

  12. #12
    Join Date
    8th November 2004 - 11:00
    Bike
    GSXR 750 the wanton hussy
    Location
    Not in Napier now
    Posts
    12,765
    Most Maori words are descriptive, and made up of smaller words to create a 'full description'
    Pa - death, afterlife
    Ke - foreign, different
    Ha - taste
    So one could not be faulted for believing that the word Pakeha refers to dead strangers that can be eaten....
    This is where the derogatory nature comes in. White people are just a food source.
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

  13. #13
    Join Date
    31st July 2005 - 21:18
    Bike
    99 RSV Matte Mille, Bus 150 & 121
    Location
    Kelson, Wgtn
    Posts
    5,693
    While Im not exposed to the term at all I don't think I'd find it all that derogatory. Theres more important things to spend my time worrying about.
    "If life gives you a shit sandwich..." someone please complete this expression

  14. #14
    Join Date
    15th February 2006 - 15:25
    Bike
    Orange ones! (and a few others...)
    Location
    Auckland
    Posts
    2,970
    I really don't mind what word people use to address me, it's the way it's said that determines the affection or offense intended. It's easy to be over sensitive to "culture" but I just treat everyone the same and if they have a problem with that then they will have to sort out their problem. Thats not to say that I am insensitive to others but I won't accept somebody else's problem as my own.
    I can understand your frustration with "that" paper, my kids have had similar reactions to the PC overdose inflicted in the name of cultural senstivity but you will need to get thru it and accept the pervasive nature of the subject in the world today.
    You're a teacher? This will be an ongoing issue throughout your career so sort out an approach / methodology that works for you, talk to the senior teachers and get some advice.

    Good luck Palangi!

  15. #15
    Join Date
    9th December 2005 - 21:40
    Bike
    Barry
    Location
    Ellerslie
    Posts
    183
    Just because I have strong beliefs and values does not mean that I will push them on to my students. And I have never done so. The whole point of being an educator, and a good one, is to allow children to make up their own minds about the issues they face. What they believe should not be criticized. I am no where near a behaviourist teacher and I wouldn't even tell a child if I believed in God or not because children like to adapt their beliefs to suit those that they look up to.
    I'm gonna make it so PC

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •