An opinion

[scumdog]

Ah feck, you whingers are a precious lot - what d'ya want? a KB run just the way YOU want it??

It wouldn't matter how it was run, SOMEBODY would say it's 'not like it use to be' - well face it chummies, just like 'a shilling for two pieces of fish and a scoop of chips' use to be 'the way it was' the world has moved on and so has KB.

I have no problems with it then or now, we still have great guys and we (sadly) still have squid/wanker types.

Enjoy it and stay - or leave if you don't enjoy it any more, you DO have the option.

(Of course there's still the 'other' option of staying and continuing on moaning about how KB ain't as good as it use to be..)

[inlinefour]

IL4, you've just posted in the above mentioned thread, asking why it's not in PD yet. You can't have it both ways.

I have seen alot of "getting personal" moved to PD, but lately I have also seen the same, if not worse (IMO) allowed to continue into a right proper preformance. The last of which finally got locked by Joni. Now I see the same in this thread and yes I have put in a reply, an opinion. But yes I do think this thread has gone a tad too far and do not understand why it has not been "delt" with, when that has been in the past what happens. Maybe its just that KBer has changed yet again, no idea.
I'm not complaining either, just voicing and observation and an opinion. But then again, maybe thats what is considered personal? No idea, but I will never loose sleep over it either.

[Big Dave]

(Of course there's still the 'other' option of staying and continuing on moaning about how KB ain't as good as it use to be..)

[007XX]

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I wasn't around for the "old KB"...Being a noobie has its advantages by the sound of it!

[Big Dave]

I wasn't around for the "old KB"...Being a noobie has its advantages by the sound of it!

It's all disposable anyway.

[avgas]

I went for a ride today, on that thing....you know...whats it called again.
Mods can do what they wish if it gives them pleasure. I actually dont care - at the end of the day i can go for a ride, and talk to others about bike stuff.
Personal ambition is none of my concern here.
Right i best go rest up now so i can get up refreshed tomorrow and wire up the radar to the bike in the morning.
Someone tell me the rugby result in the morning
Its only the internet folks

[SpankMe]

Every online community I've known, people sometimes talk of the "Good ol' days" when it first started. It's nothing new, but you can't stay small.

Having this many different people being able to converse at one place is not natural. You're never going to be able to please everyone, so I don't even bother trying. As a webmaster I only care about one thing, numbers. The number of people who visit this site daily has been increasing from the start and shows no sign of slowing.

Everything else I leave up to the mods to decide. Not everyone is going to like how they do things, but this is why we have more than one site of any type on the net.

www.sportsbike.co.nz
www.nzsbf.co.nz

[Lou Girardin]

Well, wasn't this illuminating.
The first page reminded me of Labour's secretly organised response to Mike Moores dissertation recently. Then, as the non-aligned started to read it some true opinions came out.

[Kickaha]

Well, wasn't this illuminating.
The first page reminded me of Labour's secretly organised response to Mike Moores dissertation recently. Then, as the non-aligned started to read it some true opinions came out.

By true opinions do you mean those that agree with you?

[xwhatsit]

I joined right at the end of the old KB, and only caught a couple of months of it while I was still figuring out how to ride a motorcycle, so the picture I got of it wasn't the best.

However, there seems a much lower level of self-referential humour. Ixion, with his thoughts on gargre and sprotsbikes has touched one of the more subtle aspects of this, but it exists across the board. There's a lower level of intimacy; personal distance between members seems heightened, and because of this, really `close' humour feels less comfortable and doesn't seem to spontaneously appear. It's like you can tell a family member she's getting fat, but you wouldn't necessarily say that to an acquaintance.

Why? One big reason could be the size of the community. I'd be interested in seeing a graph of KB population over time. I suspect that the growth curve is rather steep over the past year or so. As the population grows, especially rapidly, such close relationships become less sustainable, and are also more difficult to form -- so as members fade away (perhaps because of this effect), it's harder to replace them. I see it crop up from time to time -- GiJoe1313 and Donor's little 250cc KB subset would perhaps be an example -- but it doesn't occur on such a large scale as it perhaps used to.

In response to the growth of the site, moderation has increased its role. Small communities where all the members know each other well are largely self-moderating. Larger, more loose networks require some degree of guidance; how much, and in what way is a delicate and difficult matter.

I think these changes have been under way for years, but only recently have people begun to realise what's going on, and their responses have perhaps exacerbated the effects.

[RiderInBlack]

So true.

[Hitcher]

Could I suggest the mods just have a rest for a week and act like ordinary citizens and just let the threads wax and wane and then at the end of that trial period see whether that there is not a better life after all?

An excellent suggestion. Moderators need to remind themselves that just because they can do something doesn't mean that they should. Moderating is an unenviable and generally thankless task and it is sometimes hard to think clearly and objectively above the roar of the crowd. It's even harder if one is particularly close to a piece of "action" for whatever reason.

Members would be astounded to learn what can go on in the day of a Moderator's life.

Spankme's decision to make the Senior Moderators' roles time-restricted is excellent, and should help to ensure that heads do not become stuck too far up their owner's arses. The air smells nicer today, that's for sure!

[merv]

Members would be astounded to learn what can go on in the day of a Moderator's life.

Nice one Hitcher, enjoy your new found freedom and tell me more about this next time you see me. Is it time we had another Welly lunch?

[terbang]

'a shilling for two pieces of fish and a scoop of chips' use to be 'the way it was'

I blame it on the the Orange Roughie and wedges for the price increase...

[Paul in NZ]

I like KB better now but always remember, while its not a real place, a lot of the behaviors are modeled in the real world.

I imagine the web to be like a big ocean that has no limits. A creator (demi god like being), dissatisfied with wandering the oceans decides to create ‘land’ so websites are born after the creator persuades one of the bandwidth gods to part with some firm soil and are then taxed a regular offering to keep the land above the tide. Adventurous tourists visit the lands newly created and some decide they would like to settle there for a while. Some like the lands so much they donate offering contributions to the creator to offset the demands of the bandwidth gods and some take on responsibilities a bit like the mayor or sanitation dept.

Eventually, the new lands become civilized and loose their boisterous brawling excitement that exists in all pioneering settlements and start to become civilized with standards to suit the majority of the settlers (now of the more cautious latecomer variety) who now bring in the wimmin folk and start raising families and building permanent houses, streets etc. The pioneers don’t like that and resist the changes until they get annoyed with not being allowed to kill the natives or pee in the streets and jump into their canoes and paddle of to find other new places where they can still have fun…

Some decide to become pirates and regularly return to wreak plunder on the old lands and some return to guide the less adventurous to the new worlds.

Others return and not having found anything else new and exciting that was actually better than what they gave up when they went adventuring try to gather enough force to overthrow the order of things and establish a new order – in the mirror of the older order of which they are now very fond. This never works because the ultimate authority is the guy that pays the bills to the bandwidth gods to keep the land afloat and he’s pretty much got alllll the aces and like the gods of old – beyond petty rebellion.

Its all fun…. But not worth loosing a leg over…