The firearm thread

[Wolf]

To anyone trying to get accurate with a rifle or pistol, try the following.

Once you have sighted the firearm in go out and sjhoot at a totally white target. No aiming point. Try and keep all your actions the same and try for a group. Easier to say than do.

Those targets with the lovely black spot helps you pull your aim in quite a lot. When you dont have a natural point of aim it is 10 times harder to keep in a group.

Hmmmm, sounds like a fiendish exercise. Cheers for that tip.

And sounds like you had a great time burning some powder.

[Sniper]

Sounds like you had fun Mr Merde.

I have never heard of the white paper method before but it makes a shit load of sense. Something to go into the archives

[Mr Merde]

Sounds like you had fun Mr Merde.

I have never heard of the white paper method before but it makes a shit load of sense. Something to go into the archives

It was fun.

Try the white page. Really shows you how inconsistant you can be.

Got your PM amd e-mails. Will be in touch.


Merde

[Sniper]

It was fun.

Try the white page. Really shows you how inconsistant you can be.

Got your PM amd e-mails. Will be in touch.


Merde

Sweet as mate, I apprieciate it.

Yea Im going to try the white page technique when I get to Blenheim. Even if I dont need to sight my rifles in, its a good way to see how I group.

All the best mate

[Mr Merde]

I was chatting to a couple of mates tonight and i told them about using the range last weekend.

Off shot of these conversations is that we are going to have a day of powder burning on the 22nd of this month.Two of us with .58 Remington Zoave front stuffers. One of us with a Jaeger front stuffing flinter.

All of us with a few other rifles.

When i said "burn powder" I meant the real stuff not that modern propellant.We have a couple of kilos of the black stuff. Bring on the smoke, the flame and the thunder.

We may use a little of the "propellant" just to prove we are not biased though.It should be fun. Goes without saying really. Any day spent shooting is fun.

I think I'll have to upgrade my targets. make some interesting challenges.

Black powder front stuffers, 100 yard range on a slight elevation to the targets, looks like I need some tin cans and some clays.

Ever seen a .58 caliber soft lead ball hit a clay pigeon. Orange dust.

Ballons are a real bitch to shoot. I have seen a .45 ACP graze a ballon and not burst it. They also waver around in the wind a lot, making it harder to hit. I do have a dozen 12 guage 1 1/8 oz solids to use up along with the same number of #1 buckshot. 100 yards for the solids will be a piece of cake.

i am quite excited as you can tell.


Merde

[Swoop]

Old real estate signs....

What's this "old" shit? People just leave them outside their houses ready to be picked up on the way to the range.

(they are really good target backings - completely endorsed by The Swoop )

[Mr Merde]

What's this "old" shit? People just leave them outside their houses ready to be picked up on the way to the range.

(they are really good target backings - completely endorsed by The Swoop )

Just a little hard to pick up while on the bike.

Agree wholeheartedly that they make excellent target backings.

Merde

[Swoop]

Just a little hard to pick up while on the bike.

Ah, yes. On a bike could be a bit difficult for storage...

[pritch]

Im going to try the white page technique when I get to Blenheim.

Some people actually find that they get a better group like this once free of the tyranny of the black dot.

The vertical height of the group doesn't matter too much, but the width is important. If you try to keep the group tight by aiming at the first hole you have sort of missed the point.

[doc]

When i said "burn powder" I meant the real stuff not that modern propellant.We have a couple of kilos of the black stuff. Bring on the smoke, the flame and the thunder.

Hope you are not talking about "Pyrodex"

[Wolf]

If you try to keep the group tight by aiming at the first hole you have sort of missed the point.

No worries there - my eyesight, I wouldn't be able to see the first hole unless I shot it at ten feet with a 12ga solid slug...

[Mr Merde]

Hope you are not talking about "Pyrodex"

Almost as bad as that heathen modern usurper, nitro celliose, (bad spelling).

No, Im talking 2F and 3F grade Chinese gunpowder, an explosive not a propellant.

[Mr Merde]

Some people actually find that they get a better group like this once free of the tyranny of the black dot.

The vertical height of the group doesn't matter too much, but the width is important. If you try to keep the group tight by aiming at the first hole you have sort of missed the point.

First time I tried this technique my target looked like I had taken a 12 guage loaded with buck shot to it. I had become so acustomed to using the bull as a point of reference that I was a bit lost without it. Not that the standard target isnt a good aid but it does instill habitual traits into ones shooting if you use it all the time.

I am a firm believer in learning where my guns shoot to. So much so that I will start with a rifle from as close as 10 yards and gradually move back to the longer ranges. Do the same with pistols, been known to train at no more than 5 yards from the target with these. The whole thing is about knowing whats going on, knowing where your shots are going to and keeping consistant. Used to train with my .45 auto at a distance of 1/4 inch from the target. No rounds in the gun but a pencil with a rubber on the end up the barrel. Firing pin would hit the rubber and drive the pencil that short distance to the target. The sharpened pont would make an indentation on the target very similar to a grouping if one was using live rounds, only smaller in scale. you had all the telltale signs there on the target of stringing shots, change in grip, bad sighting etc, at no cost of ammo.

There another tip for you pistol shooters out there.

I also used to spend hours just raising my firearms to shooting oposition. muscle memory is a wonderful thing when developed. It takes out of the equation on less thing that your concious brain has to think about.

Merde.

[doc]

Almost as bad as that heathen modern usurper, nitro celliose, (bad spelling).

No, Im talking 2F and 3F grade Chinese gunpowder, an explosive not a propellant.

Im talking elephant fff, a real cheap fix

[Mr Merde]

Im talking elephant fff, a real cheap fix

Wish I could lay my hands on some Swiss 1 1/2 but it is very very expensive and in short supply here.

The "septics" I talk to cant believe how much we have to pay for the Holy Black.

They get the Elephant brand for about US$8 a tub (1 Kg), we pay NZ$70

Something wrong here.