k7 thou - rear wheel HP?

[Crasherfromwayback]

You didn't understand it, though.

That's more like the you that fucked off. I'd forgotten that you were of a much higher intelligence than the rest of us. Makes me wonder how we'd all got on without you.

[Ixion]

OK, so riddle me this (purely for Mr Hitcher's benefit).

In 1948, near 60 years ago, before any of you were born, Vincent produced a cast iron naked bike with 70bhp at the crank (claimed). That 70bhp was sufficient to propell the bike (remember, cast iron, pushrods, 70 octane petrol,naked) to 150mph+ . Around 240kph . (In their usual fashion, the Christchurch crew went over the top and pushed one to 185mph) .

Now if Suzuki have something like 160hp at the rear wheel, say 180 odd at the crank, that's 2.5 times (roughly) the horsepower. For an extra, what, 40kph? The fairing alone should add that.

So I reckon Mr Suzuki's figures are kitten power, not horse power. Otherwise a GSXR1000 should be topping out WEAY north of 300pkh.

[cowpoos]

OK, so riddle me this (purely for Mr Hitcher's benefit).

In 1948, near 60 years ago, before any of you were born, Vincent produced a cast iron naked bike with 70bhp at the crank (claimed). That 70bhp was sufficient to propell the bike (remember, cast iron, pushrods, 70 octane petrol,naked) to 150mph+ . Around 240kph . (In their usual fashion, the Christchurch crew went over the top and pushed one to 185mph) .

Now if Suzuki have something like 160hp at the rear wheel, say 180 odd at the crank, that's 2.5 times (roughly) the horsepower. For an extra, what, 40kph? The fairing alone should add that.

So I reckon Mr Suzuki's figures are kitten power, not horse power. Otherwise a GSXR1000 should be topping out WEAY north of 300pkh.

ride one bro....they acelerate like you woulod beable to comprehend!!!

[merv]

This is a fun thread isn't it?

171.5 hp.

[Ixion]

I have ridden one. I was underwhelmed. Better than the SV1000 is all I can say.

[Ixion]

That's more like the you that fucked off. I'd forgotten that you were of a much higher intelligence than the rest of us. Makes me wonder how we'd all got on without you.

Well done. You are progressing.

My old friend Sybyl, from my cloud days (you remember Sybyl, from our previous conversation) was also fond of saying gnothi seauton, know thyself.

Self knowledge is a first step to spiritual liberation. I wish you well in your journey along that road.

[cowpoos]

I have ridden one. I was underwhelmed. Better than the SV1000 is all I can say.

underwhelmed in what reguard or compared to wat??

[Ixion]

Compared to my expectations. Which may of course have been unrealistic. I am coming to expect that they probably were. But it does not seem so much extra over say a RZ350, for all the extra years, extra technology and claimed extra horsepower. Granted also that I am only judging on the basis of about 80kph upward, since I did not have the experience of the machine to optimise the balance between keeping the front wheel down on take off , and the rear wheel tractioned. So I am talking sensory perception, not figures. But acceleration upward from 200kph was not what I had expected.

[cowpoos]

Compared to my expectations. Which may of course have been unrealistic. I am coming to expect that they probably were. But it does not seem so much extra over say a RZ350, for all the extra years, extra technology and claimed extra horsepower. Granted also that I am only judging on the basis of about 80kph upward, since I did not have the experience of the machine to optimise the balance between keeping the front wheel down on take off , and the rear wheel tractioned. So I am talking sensory perception, not figures. But acceleration upward from 200kph was not what I had expected.

ahhh yes...the way modern bikes disguse there speed...much the same perception I had with my first ride on the current k6-k7 750 compared to my stock standard k5 one...I would have sworn black and blue my one was a fair bit quicker in a straight line...but truth be known...it was a much better power delivery...disgusing the rush of power quite remarkably well!!!

[riffer]

You make a good point there 'poos.

It's not the top speed. I'm sure that Suzuki could make the gixxer do 350 if they wanted.

Sure the Vincent could do 240, but it would take it half the day to get there. I have the original road test from The Motor Cycle, August 11th 1949 at home here and it quite clearly states.

Mean Max Speed:
Bottom: 69mph
Second: 87mph
Third: 110mph
Fourth: not obtained. Why? They couldn't find a long enough runway...

but bear in mind the Vincent did the quarter mile in 14.2 seconds.

The gixxer would probably do it in 9 flat. And in 14.2 seconds I dare say it would do half a mile and be up around 160mph, compared to the 96mph the Vincent could achieve.

You see - top speed ain't everything. And pushrods - hell, plenty of high performance V8s running pushrods still.

[Ixion]

But, unless one is racing the things, is not the perception what matters.

After all, as far as pure speed is concerned, I have done 600kph. In a Boeing 747, totally and utterly boring. I suspect that the acceleration of a 747 is probably faster than a GSXR also, and also totally boring.

So, is that the ultimate evolution of motorcycles? 350kph (or whatever) of complete boredom?

Take a fast two stroke for comparison . The slingshot effect as it hits power band and catapults forward FEELS far faster than the GSXR. And personally I ride a bike for the sensory input it gives me , not for the sake of some figures on a timing device . A sprotsbike that FEELS slow may as well BE slow (things are a bit different for tourers - I think that is one of the distinctions between the genera) .

If a bike feels slow and uninteresting (and I do not want to race it), then what is the point of all that horsepower? Regardless of what the timer or speedometer may say. A boring 250kph is just boring- like that Boeing.

[riffer]

Hmmm.

I've ridden a K7 gixxer thou, and I've ridden an RG500.

Both were fast.

At full throttle in 2nd gear, the gixxer was faster. And felt faster.

Are you sure you didn't accidentally set it in "C" mode?

However, the RG500 was more "exciting" to ride. And more dangerous. As I'm sure the H2 was. And the Vincent.

I'm thinking this may be the intangible essence you are trying to describe.


Meh. Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.

[Crasherfromwayback]

OK, so riddle me this (purely for Mr Hitcher's benefit).

In 1948, near 60 years ago, before any of you were born, Vincent produced a cast iron naked bike with 70bhp at the crank (claimed). That 70bhp was sufficient to propell the bike (remember, cast iron, pushrods, 70 octane petrol,naked) to 150mph+ . Around 240kph . (In their usual fashion, the Christchurch crew went over the top and pushed one to 185mph) .

Now if Suzuki have something like 160hp at the rear wheel, say 180 odd at the crank, that's 2.5 times (roughly) the horsepower. For an extra, what, 40kph? The fairing alone should add that.

So I reckon Mr Suzuki's figures are kitten power, not horse power. Otherwise a GSXR1000 should be topping out WEAY north of 300pkh.

You of all people should know that HP has to increase in huge amounts to make any real difference to top speeds. Add in things like the massive frontal area of a GSXR 1000's radiator...and the fact that the fairings on said bike are quite useless as far as top speeds go...and your argument is as week as piss.

I have ridden one. I was underwhelmed. Better than the SV1000 is all I can say.

If you've ridden a GSXR1000, and can say you were underwelmed, then I can say with 100% confidence two things.

1: You're full of shit. Or.. 2: You didn't twist the go handle properly.

Well done. You are progressing.

My old friend Sybyl, from my cloud days (you remember Sybyl, from our previous conversation) was also fond of saying gnothi seauton, know thyself.

Self knowledge is a first step to spiritual liberation. I wish you well in your journey along that road.

I progress of course. We all do as we live another day. Funny thing is though, you've not yet realized that some of us aren't that easily baffled by your drivel. Spiritual liberation? Fuck off. This is a forum regarding motorcycles and motorcycle related things. Join 'Yoga Weekly' if that's what you're after.

Compared to my expectations. Which may of course have been unrealistic. I am coming to expect that they probably were. But it does not seem so much extra over say a RZ350, for all the extra years, extra technology and claimed extra horsepower. Granted also that I am only judging on the basis of about 80kph upward, since I did not have the experience of the machine to optimise the balance between keeping the front wheel down on take off , and the rear wheel tractioned. So I am talking sensory perception, not figures. But acceleration upward from 200kph was not what I had expected.

Yeah. I rest my case. Gear an RZ350 for 300kph, then get back to me about it's acceleration. Or, gear a GSXR1000 for 200kph and twist the grip. Get what I'm saying? Anyone that'd dare try and compare an RZ350 to a GSXR 1000 is delusional.

[Crasherfromwayback]

After all, as far as pure speed is concerned, I have done 600kph. In a Boeing 747, totally and utterly boring. I suspect that the acceleration of a 747 is probably faster than a GSXR also, and also totally boring.

Actually Ixion, an H2 Kawasaki accelerated faster than a 747.
So I put this to you. Come and see me at Wellington Motorcycles (hell, I'll shout you the air fare), I'll give you a GSXR1000...you can then give me a demo alongside the runway at Wellington Airport against a 737 (much faster on take off than a 747). You come back and not have a hint of hand shake...I'll lick your balls. The slightest hint of tremor...you know the routine.

[skidMark]

You make a good point there 'poos.

It's not the top speed. I'm sure that Suzuki could make the gixxer do 350 if they wanted.

Sure the Vincent could do 240, but it would take it half the day to get there. I have the original road test from The Motor Cycle, August 11th 1949 at home here and it quite clearly states.

Mean Max Speed:
Bottom: 69mph
Second: 87mph
Third: 110mph
Fourth: not obtained. Why? They couldn't find a long enough runway...

but bear in mind the Vincent did the quarter mile in 14.2 seconds.

The gixxer would probably do it in 9 flat. And in 14.2 seconds I dare say it would do half a mile and be up around 160mph, compared to the 96mph the Vincent could achieve.

You see - top speed ain't everything. And pushrods - hell, plenty of high performance V8s running pushrods still.

a 14.2 in the year 1949? pretty blimin quick

mind you 8 years later out came the shelby version of the mustang (gt 500) and that was quickkkkk