Is that your 3 cents worth?Originally Posted by peasea
.....your time is coming
Is that your 3 cents worth?
.....your time is coming
Better a soft paradise than a soft rat race like UK
.....your time is coming
True but I am talking about extra costs. Some of the costs you mention are fixed costs so they get paid like we do so would have been incurred in any event and some are variable, like private legal costs.
W.A.N.K hardcore
Wrong wrong wrong. The SIS are scrutinised thoroughly. They suppress info because to disclosing sensitive information would disclose methodology which in turn would be defeated by harmful entities. They cannot do whatever they want and are actually bound very tightly. But as its a clandestine government agency its easy to fill the gaps of ignorance with fantasy and conjecture. Just like MI6 killed lady Di, the Americans didn't land on the moon, 9/11 was actually done by the CIA etc.
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But if they keep letting people in under false pretences we'll have our own rat race. It's already started...........
.....your time is coming
Nah, you guys are getting paranoid.
The population in UK in 1800 was 10 million and in NZ it is around 4 million.
In 200 years population has increased to 60 million and in 150 years NZ increased by 4 million. We are not in world terms a migrant located area and there are more single people over 30 and I think our population growth is not keeping up ie births v deaths.
In 200 years time I guess the population here will still be low.
Fair weather rider
I'm yet to have my coffee, could you explain what you mean by this? In 1800 we had how many people? 4 million? Now we've increased by 4 mill? Or did we have 0 population in 1800?The population in UK in 1800 was 10 million and in NZ it is around 4 million.
In 200 years population has increased to 60 million and in 150 years NZ increased by 4 million. We are not in world terms a migrant located area and there are more single people over 30 and I think our population growth is not keeping up ie births v deaths.
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What he said was "The population in UK in 1800 was 10 million and in NZ it is around 4 million." It IS, not it WAS.
Anyway, I don't have any problem with importing workers with the right paperwork, who meet all the criteria. I just have a problem with those who come here under false pretences and then scream 'refugee!'
If you don't have the right papers, fuck off.
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yup..I see that in her too..maybe when his four sons grow up they may be trained by a New Zealand pilot school and fly into her living room and make her day!!!!Shows NZ is a soft touch and we are bound to suffer the consequence from other countries.
Switzerland is pretty nuetral and they didnt want him ....
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I understand the reasons for suppressing info and it is logical, however when, as in this case, they initially, basically fucked up, the "suppressing info because of disclosing methodology" becomes a method of trying to keep egg off your face. The fact they would then persist, regardless of the outcome, right or wrong, is the worrying factor, as in all secret establishments and power bases.
With secrecy, comes (or should come), the responsibility to act correctly, with fairness, insight and morality, facets that don't exactly leap out from powers around the world that conduct everything in secret...
I don't think the SIS have been scrutinised as thoroughly as they should have been in the past and perhaps, they should have a good look at their methodology in future, as well.
With the new Director, perhaps there is hope that this will happen. He seems to recognise that talk and diplomacy can achieve more than the current trend of blind naked aggression!
What a load of baloney. What is this bullshit about "being a soft touch"! Do people actually think, before they spout this garbage! How many people get into the US every year on reasons far less than Zaoui has - tens of thousands!Shows NZ is a soft touch and we are bound to suffer the consequence from other countries.
Would you call the US a "soft touch"?
NZ's refugee allocation is 750 a year! - not very fucking many on a world scale. Zaoui was seeking political asylum, which does not come under the refugee quota. Spending several years in detention, 12 months in solitary and the amount of shit Zaoui had to go through to get in, (and there are others who have spent several years in detention in NZ), would not be sending the message that NZ is a soft touch! Quite the opposite, I would have thought. When you are desperate (have you ever been really desperate), you will try whatever you can to stay alive and in good mind. To deny even the possibility of that, makes you less than human, in my books!
“- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”
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That's an argument that would automatically exclude all refugees, regardless of whether their claims were genuine or not. Does this mean you think that no refugees should ever be allowed in the country?
In Zaoui's case, he was declared a genuine refugee by the Refugee Status Appeals Authority. Now, I haven't sat through an RSAA appeal, but my other half has sat through tens of them. She's listened very closely to every word spoken by both sides. These appeals are not a quick interview. The appellant (the person applying for refugee status) can be represented by a lawyer and can call witnesses. The 'prosecution', usually the Immigration Service, is usually present also and can also call witnesses. The appeals are conducted by two judges and can last up to three eight hour days. They ask questions from every angle, about every conceivable topic. They have the ability to consult outside opinions on the workings of other countries (for instance, how the judicial system in Iran works, and how easy it is to bribe officials). The judges are not stupid, by any stretch of the imagination.
If Zaoui convinced the RSAA he was genuine, then a) he is genuine, or b) he's a fucken good liar.
So when the government starts talking about crucial national security issues but won't reveal what they are, even to Zaoui's lawyer, you do have to wonder what the hell it is they're hiding. Sure, an enormous amount of money has been wasted on this case, but you can't necessarily blame Zaoui for that. If the government has simply accepted his refugee status (and therefore trusted the body - the RSAA - they appointed to determine such status), the money wouldn't have been wasted.
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Never mind - haven't the Gov. decided to abolish the RSAA (perhaps because they actually looked at everything in an unbiased and even handed fashion), and give the Immigration Dept, and SIS new, "improved", even more secret powers, so they can turn away these hordes of refugees without having to explain anything to anyone, on even more dubious and spurious reasons?
This way - they can never be wrong!
It's another part of a worrying trend that bodes, yet again, no good for our society or the ordinary citizens within.
“- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”
Come warm yourself by the fire
Yeah im just biased as my mate had his zzr400 totalled by a Somalian Rufugee who wasnts suppose to be driving (no nz license), then when the court case came around she split to Aussie (She had been a NZ refugee for 5 years so this allowed her into up to 5 other countries).
Then there was the case with my misses when she paid NZ $10K for a 'job offer' (which fell through) to a Korean business man, who's work permit existed as he $100,000 in the bank (which gave him half the points for citizenship) - Oh and FYI people our Hon John D. is also in this "Job" market.
Also there are dodgy immegration case handlers (one of my friends is STILL on work permit due to not paying a bribe)
Having seen the other side of NZ's dark fence, i no longer think that we are the friendly, sweet, innocent country that the brochures have people to believe.
Not to mention that i hear more horns in Auckland in 1 day, than i heard in New York in 1 week.
Attitudes are very wrong in some people in NZ.
I feel that NZ isnt quite a dumping ground yet - more the 4 square for rest of the world (convenient). Stepping stone to Australia, UK and US for alot of people who do not have choices due to the people they are.
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Come warm yourself by the fire
Not really - i dont believe in Refugees.
We have enough bludgers here as it it.
Imigrant workers (and their close families) i believe in.
Why import stuff that doesn't work. Not even Hyosung is that low.
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He should have been shot thru the neck and his body harvested for organs , that sandy little butt crack has cost the tax payer about 200 bypass surgerys or 150 hip operations or untold full courses of herceptin , fuck his rights his liberty cost us too much, Id pull the trigger ,Id happily shoot him in his smug face
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