Police watch a kid drown and do nothing!

[Edbear]

, perhaps there was something else the media... easily ommitted.....Something the media is exceptionally good at.

But but, if you can't trust the MEDIA, who can you trust...? (pt)

While the story sounds bad for the PCSO's, one is always skeptical of the media. Anyone who thinks that the media is not ratings driven, (ie: money), is in dreamworld.

There are usually two sides to the story and I'll be interested in the official investigation as there will definitely be one.

The media will always sensationalise or slant a story to win audience. Fairness and accurate reporting of all the facts on both sides doesn't win the ratings war.

[devnull]

I agree that the media will portray this in the worst possible light.
Also, the Police don't deserve blame - the two in the article weren't real cops.

As far as I'm aware, things like lifesaving, swimming, etc, are still part of police training.

I really don't think it matters if they were wearing a uniform or not. What really gets me is that anyone, regardless of who they are, would choose to stand and wait instead of acting immediately. Sounds like the fishermen did the right thing - pity there weren't a few more there.

[KATWYN]

There must be more to this story.....its not nice to crucify anyone
involved in this without knowing the actual facts - sensationalized facts don't count

[Pixie]

If it was NZ police they'd immediately decide to rescue the kid,but take 2 days to get the correct approval to get their uniforms wet

[Pixie]

No, but it is horribly inaccurate and misleading. With the shit our force are copping, you're beginning to sound like a NZ reporter.



So suddenly, two "police" did NOT watch a kid drown?



This was in the UK - good on you for managing to tar every officer in every country all over the world with the same brush for actions NOT taken by 2 guys who weren't even cops.

You're a fucking legend.

You seem to forget the incident of a few years ago where the NZ police AOS waited outside a house,for 3 hours, where a woman was dying from stab wounds.She was on the phone to them,but they weren't going to go inside until they had confirmed where the offender was.Unfortunately, while they sat on their fat blue arses, the woman died.

[marty]

Fuck I'm sick of cop-bashing know-it-alls that have all the opinions in the world, but have no fucking idea of reality, nor do they have the balls to actually join up and make a difference.

Wankers.

[Big Dave]

Fuck I'm sick of cop-bashing know-it-alls that have all the opinions in the world, but have no fucking idea of reality, nor do they have the balls to actually join up and make a difference.

Wankers.

How about the way that chinaman killed his wife, dumped the kid, and everyone is on the cop's case for not looking in the boot.

Unbelievable.

ANY decent alpha male would have jumped in - if there was something to see to rescue. I've been there.

[Steam]

Fuck I'm sick of cop-bashing know-it-alls that have all the opinions in the world, but have no fucking idea of reality, nor do they have the balls to actually join up and make a difference.

Wankers.

+1. Marty speak'n the truth.

[ManDownUnder]

But but, if you can't trust the MEDIA, who can you trust...? (pt)

While the story sounds bad for the PCSO's, one is always skeptical of the media. Anyone who thinks that the media is not ratings driven, (ie: money), is in dreamworld.

There are usually two sides to the story and I'll be interested in the official investigation as there will definitely be one.

The media will always sensationalise or slant a story to win audience. Fairness and accurate reporting of all the facts on both sides doesn't win the ratings war.

Yes yes yes and yes. Standing and watching is only possible if you can see the kid. There is some debate over whether they could. Getting in the water reduces their abilito too things becuaew of the lowered vantage point, and the reporter gets a pat on the back from selling a story the world over, earning gazllions for the paper concerned.

Lets wait for the lother side of the story - which will unfortunately be similarly spin doctored - to emerge and watch the battle of the half truths deny a greiving family of what really happened.

Gutting for the family. I feel sorry for them.

[The Pastor]

only the fucking police, thats who.



*disclaimer; not ALL the police are like that, just the alive ones.

Couldn't agree more.

[Ixion]

What do you people expect the police to do? Jump in there and search for the boy as they hold their breath?

Yes. Exactly that. Not because they're police, but because they're men.

They are not condemned as cops but as men. Doesn't matter if you're a copper or a hairdresser, any man would have gone in. It's what you do, shouldn't even need saying. Radio for help, sure, while you're stripping off.

I'm old and fat and ferociously unfit, but I'd be buggered if I'd just stand there gawping.Even if they couldn't swim they could have waded in chest deep and covered the foreshore.

Yes, recognise the danger of eager rescuers themselves getting into trouble. There was picture of the scene. It's not the North Atlantic in a force 10 gale. Prudence and caution are one thing, cowardice is another.

And of course you'd hold your breath. Be a bloody silly thing not to, wouldn't it.

.its not nice to crucify anyone involved in this without knowing the actual facts

Facts that matter are plain enough. Boy drowned. Men stood and did nothing. There's a picture of the scene. Dunno what more "facts" anyone could want.


(One caveat: The article didn't make it clear that the PCSOs were men. They might have been female, which is a different matter)

[klingon]

Yes. Exactly that. Not because they're police, but because they're men.
...
(One caveat: The article didn't make it clear that the PCSOs were men. They might have been female, which is a different matter)

WOT?!
I certainly hope that was a P/T Ixion. Any self-respecting human being should do all they can to save the life of another human. I know I would.

[surfchick]

I'm a trained lifeguard and was one for years to pay for uni- and having faced the space in which you are deciding whether a situation is a rescue many times and then done the rescues-key to water rescue is keeping the victim IN-SIGHT - it's why surf rescue involves masses of freestyle-type-swimming with blades but often without burying your head underwater in tthe proper free-style form-in case which you are burrowing toward your victim they submerge and due to no refs you can't locate the spot in the sea in all the chop and surf etc.

main point is that on arriving the two cop-types couldn't actually sight the submerged victim. may have worked to take a chance and go in where someone last saw the victim-would have better chances than standing lake-side. Actually in this country its illegal to withold CPR if you are trained in it. Extremely sad story actually. A chain of command that broke down fatally. Children in water unsupervised in practical terms by physically distant or non-swimming parents (or else they would have made the rescued the first cry). Then potential extra searchers who hesitated. All it takes. This was a lake not the sea -no rips etc. That young child should NEVER EVER have had the opportunity to go out of its depth if they couldn't swim.

If you have kids who can't swim - supervise them diligantly and properly. You don't get to relax and eat or whatever and lift your eye off them till they are back on terra-firma.

[Patrick]

You seem to forget the incident of a few years ago where the NZ police AOS waited outside a house,for 3 hours, where a woman was dying from stab wounds.She was on the phone to them,but they weren't going to go inside until they had confirmed where the offender was.Unfortunately, while they sat on their fat blue arses, the woman died.

Forget it? I don't even know of it... probably another media beat up by the sounds of it???

Fuck I'm sick of cop-bashing know-it-alls that have all the opinions in the world, but have no fucking idea of reality, nor do they have the balls to actually join up and make a difference.

Wankers.

C'mon Marty, tell us how you really feel, and stop beating about the bush... Pixie knows the answers?

They are not condemned as cops but as men.
The article didn't make it clear that the PCSOs were men. They might have been female, which is a different matter)

The article may not have condemned them as cops but Canarlee has a different view somehow... Check out the thread heading, "Police watch a kid drown and do nothing..."

As for it making a difference because they may have been female?????? Huh?????????

[Timber020]

If the media reported on this thread it would probably headline as

"Motorcyclists think police are all gutless cunts"

They werent police, they may not even have known how to swim, let alone rescue anyone. They arrived after the kid had dissappeared by the sound of it. The "rules" that they are expected to follow prohibit them from getting into dangerous situations.

The real cop who arrived 5 minutes later did jump straight in.