Police watch a kid drown and do nothing!

[surfchick]

Why, when things like this happen (tragedy, for sure) the blame falls on someone else? If mum, dad or both had been there........

I take a pretty tuff view on that one - if kids are in or even near water who can't swim - 100% supervision = safer kids. lax or non existent supervison = putting the children's wellbeing into the children's hands and taking your chances with them managing their wellbeing with smaller weaker bodies and less contextual knowledge of water hazards than an adult. the sad thing is a moment of non-concentration from guardians can end in a drowning - happening in families who are normally super careful (as has happened a friend of mine-which was a pool accident with adults nearby but not watching - responded to CPR but severe brain damage for life). I'm not sure about the case in the UK really-details being a bit sketchy-but it's a timely reminder coming up to our summer to mind the kids near water. In recent years in NZ watersports combined passed rugby as the sport participated in by the highest no. of kiwis - kiwis looovvee the water therefore kiwi's are cool

[devnull]

Yes. Exactly that. Not because they're police, but because they're men.

They are not condemned as cops but as men. Doesn't matter if you're a copper or a hairdresser, any man would have gone in. It's what you do, shouldn't even need saying. Radio for help, sure, while you're stripping off.

I'm old and fat and ferociously unfit, but I'd be buggered if I'd just stand there gawping.Even if they couldn't swim they could have waded in chest deep and covered the foreshore.

Yes, recognise the danger of eager rescuers themselves getting into trouble. There was picture of the scene. It's not the North Atlantic in a force 10 gale. Prudence and caution are one thing, cowardice is another.

And of course you'd hold your breath. Be a bloody silly thing not to, wouldn't it.


Facts that matter are plain enough. Boy drowned. Men stood and did nothing. There's a picture of the scene. Dunno what more "facts" anyone could want.


(One caveat: The article didn't make it clear that the PCSOs were men. They might have been female, which is a different matter)

Well said!!

As society has become more and more PC, people seem to have become less likely to involve themselves in assisting others. Doesn't matter if it's a cop being set on by a group of thugs, or a child in trouble, there was once a time that the average person would just jump into the middle and help.

When you compare that attitude with the attitude that many people display today i.e. not wanting to get involved, it sucks. If that's progress, I'm not interested. People have given up too much...

[Mekk]

Everything before the part below.

I agree. It's not about them being cops or trainee cops or whatever the fuck they were, it's about them being cowards. The reporter has just dredged up as much dirt on them as they can by pulling that into the equation.

The problem I have with it is...

Facts that matter are plain enough. Boy drowned. Men stood and did nothing. There's a picture of the scene. Dunno what more "facts" anyone could want.

...is it cowardice? Or is that the slant the reporter put on it? It doesn't seem exceptional for me to believe someone would go there for a story, so I remain skeptical. I think the cowardice is in the reporting here. It's far too easy to accept something that someone else says... who wasn't even there.

Facts that matter are also things like WHY they didn't act, from their perspective. It may seem like cowardice from our side (the reporter's side) but it may be due to something completely different. The fact remains that they did call for help, so they didn't do nothing.

ALL the facts are important, not just the reported ones. Example: "Planes hit twin towers. Government doesn't shoot them down. Government hates the public." Reporter eats.

[marty]

i risked my life a number of times, jumping into the waikato river at both at night and during the day, to save the lives of losers who thought they could swim to their escape. EVERY time i seriously thought about not getting in, as why should i die for some scrote bag burglar. EVERY time though, my partner(s) and i got wet for the cause. 1 guy we never found. i didn't get in one time, after a guy fell/jumped from the claudlands (mcdonalds) bridge and didn't come up. we found him impaled on a logjam under the bridge 3 days later.

what was my point. oh yes. every time, a call is made as to the actions taken. second guessing those calls on the internet is pointless. sometimes those calls are good, sometimes they could be better. if one of the PCSOs had have died searching for an already dead kid, where was the value in that?

i'm surprised there isn't a bunch of bikers riding around looking for little old ladies falling over on the footpath to save, judging by some of the judgmental bullshit that is spouted on here.

[sunhuntin]

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if one of the PCSOs had have died searching for an already dead kid, where was the value in that?
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saving private ryan comes to mind...

[peasea]

Outrage is specifically reserved for two subjects around here... They are (in no particular order...) Speeding Fines and A certain KB'r (who rides too fast, dangerously and needs to get a job)...

Hmm, can't be me, I currently have 5 employers.

[peasea]

i risked my life a number of times, jumping into the waikato river at both at night and during the day, to save the lives of losers who thought they could swim to their escape. EVERY time i seriously thought about not getting in, as why should i die for some scrote bag burglar. EVERY time though, my partner(s) and i got wet for the cause. 1 guy we never found. i didn't get in one time, after a guy fell/jumped from the claudlands (mcdonalds) bridge and didn't come up. we found him impaled on a logjam under the bridge 3 days later.

what was my point. oh yes. every time, a call is made as to the actions taken. second guessing those calls on the internet is pointless. sometimes those calls are good, sometimes they could be better. if one of the PCSOs had have died searching for an already dead kid, where was the value in that?

i'm surprised there isn't a bunch of bikers riding around looking for little old ladies falling over on the footpath to save, judging by some of the judgmental bullshit that is spouted on here.

I, again, ask myself; "where were the parents?" I also would like to add that 'jumping in after some scroat' takes some humanity. WTF? Regardless of whether these people were law enforcement agents or not, there's a kid drowning, it you can swim, help out!

[98tls]

I, again, ask myself; "where were the parents?" I also would like to add that 'jumping in after some scroat' takes some humanity. WTF? Regardless of whether these people were law enforcement agents or not, there's a kid drowning, it you can swim, help out!

Sounds logical to me..........coming back from ch-ch today in my ute came across a biker standing by his bike in the pissing rain......only logical to stop/throw bike on back etc...........like you say if you can.....help out.

[marty]

it's 'scrote'.

and maybe those PCSO's couldn't swim. maybe they were like security guards - wanna be cops but couldn't swim a length in under a minute?

[Roadrash]

only the fucking police, thats who.



*disclaimer; not ALL the police are like that, just most of the useless scum.

They AINT COPS!!!, is this another Police slagging thread, or are you gonna get your facts right,

[peasea]

Sounds logical to me..........coming back from ch-ch today in my ute came across a biker standing by his bike in the pissing rain......only logical to stop/throw bike on back etc...........like you say if you can.....help out.

Bravo. I'd do the same.

[peasea]

it's 'scrote'.

and maybe those PCSO's couldn't swim. maybe they were like security guards - wanna be cops but couldn't swim a length in under a minute?

Call them what you will, spell it how you like, the sentiment is the same.
Maybe they couldn't swim, which is what I said.

Where are you going with that?

[peasea]

They AINT COPS!!!, is this another Police slagging thread, or are you gonna get your facts right,

Cop bashing? I didn't see it as that, I saw it as cold-people bashing, cops or not.

I actually think that the average bobby would have jumped in; and therein lies the difference. They weren't 'real' bobbies.

Check that out! I've come to the defence of the police twice in one week!

(Must be running low on bourbon.)

[MD]

This thread needs it's title re-written!
I just read that story and as some have said.
1. They were not police, and most importantly
2. they DID NOT watch the boy drown. Kind of ruins the title don't you think.

What they did do was arrive at a pond after the boy disappeared and the parents still hadn't arrived (therein lies the real question of responsibility me thinks). The anglers had already saved the girl and had no way of finding the boy.
The Police Support officers crime was to arrive on the scene not wearing their Batman issue belts with; GPS sunken body locators; underwater mirky pond visibility googles; micro pocket sized airtanks

I can only assume that since the Anglers went in to help and could only get the sister out that they would have saved the boy - if they could have. The article was clear on this - at that point in time the boy was submerged and out of sight. How then were the CPSO that arrived later supposed to archieve anything more?

The Parents outcries against the CPSOs for not going in smells of hypocrisy, when in fact it was the parents who should have been there to go into the water in the first place.

The Boy was very brave going in to help his little sister. That bit touched me.

[marty]

nowhere. just sick of wankers like carnalee bashing cops, with no idea of reality, or even having read the article properly