Depression...

[jrandom]

yeah... people think therapy works... but we can all tell them a thing or two...

You're a very silly girl.

I've seen therapy have hugely positive effects on a very broken person. Life-changing effects.

The thing with psychotherapy is, though, that the therapist doesn't fix the patient. The patient works on themselves. The therapist is just a facilitator.

Generally, stupid people have trouble achieving much through therapy. It takes intelligence, insight and courage to change oneself.

I won't make any comment on why you might have the opinion you do...

people who really need help in some form... are not helped by so called "professionals" who get paid to sit there not knowing anything, and thinking about cheese sandwiches for all we know, then giving the generic response "okay, well lets give you some drugs"...

You need to shut up now.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but I don't think you belong in this thread.

[007XX]

You're a very silly girl.

I've seen therapy have hugely positive effects on a very broken person. Life-changing effects.

The thing with psychotherapy is, though, that the therapist doesn't fix the patient. The patient works on themselves. The therapist is just a facilitator.

Generally, stupid people have trouble achieving much through therapy. It takes intelligence, insight and courage to change oneself.

I won't make any comment on why you might have the opinion you do...



You need to shut up now.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but I don't think you belong in this thread.

Harsh, but fair... i once again will go back to one of my favourite sayings: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink".

Going round and round tring to help someone who refuses to take the advice on board will not assist anyone who is actually trying to get advice from this thread.

I , for once, give up in this instance.

[deanohit]

maybe it worked, maybe it didnt but I've found there are five groups of people;
the "omg your a fruit loop your going to slaughter us all in our sleep ...";
the "HTFU, it never happened to me so it doesn't happen";
the 'I have no idea what your on about but if I agree with you can I sleep with you/have your bike/cat/dog/slinky ... when they lock you up/when you end it';
the 'I like to help people but have no idea what your going through, maybe I can help but I might make it worse';
and the 'you aren't alone, take my hand and I'll lead you through the rough patches but I can't do the tough stuff for you, thats your job, I can just support you".

Very true Busy, ALOT of my friends are in the second group and as a result I have unintentionally pushed a few of them away. My mum is in the fourth group and both my dad and me are in the fifth group for each other as I try and get my life sorted and he try's to beat his booze problem.

There is a New Zealand depression forum http://www2.everybody.co.nz/forum/ub...oard=45&page=1
It needs more people to be effective so join if you'd like to. Sharing experiences is good therapy and support for others.

Thanks for that Winston, will have a look tonight.

[Hitcher]

Harsh, but fair... i once again will go back to one of my favourite sayings: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink".

My Grandfather used to say "You can drive a horse to drink but you can't make it water."

He also used to say "We'll burn that bridge when we get to it."

A wise man. Maybe that's what kindled my life-long interest in Mondegreens...

[007XX]

My Grandfather used to say "You can drive a horse to drink but you can't make it water."

He also used to say "We'll burn that bridge when we get to it."

A wise man. Maybe that's what kindled my life-long interest in Mondegreens...

No matter the way things are said sometimes...what is of importance is the message carried within, don't you think?

And if you don't agree, then you're really going to suffer when we meet, as I am legendary for cocking up sayings...As in my favourite song: " Take your pants down, and make it happen" (in Irene Cara's "Flashdance")!

Seriously though, (and back on topic), everyone that contributes to this thread is being very helpful!

Keep up the good work...

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

You're a very silly girl.

I've seen therapy have hugely positive effects on a very broken person. Life-changing effects.

The thing with psychotherapy is, though, that the therapist doesn't fix the patient. The patient works on themselves. The therapist is just a facilitator.

Generally, stupid people have trouble achieving much through therapy. It takes intelligence, insight and courage to change oneself.

I won't make any comment on why you might have the opinion you do...



You need to shut up now.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but I don't think you belong in this thread.

Agree with above. Particularly liked " Generally, stupid people have trouble achieving much through therapy. It takes intelligence, insight and courage to change oneself." Occasionally one's high intelligence stops one going to therapy - more ego related tho. Thinking they know it all.

I was like that about 6 years ago - had done a lot of work on myself - still wasn't "happy" with where I was at headwise. So found a counsellor thru Women's Refuge - she was 50, had life experience - hadn't been a counsellor all her life. I was her longest client - 18 months - and I only cracked in the last 3 months of that time - I sure has hell nutted off plenty. Alot was because I would not blame people, places and things - however she said I had to go back to the cause why I reacted or did things the way I did. We found the cause all right.

One does have to want to get better. At this point in time - to me the struggle of getting better just isn't worth it. Never has been before. I'm sick and tired of it. ANd Gee what do i have to look forward to - more meds - wow and what wonderful, delightful side effects will they hve. I've just lost 13 kg from getting of the last lot of meds. And am no longer upchucking etc every week. Sorry I see no point even talking about this - it depresses me more.

This would all be easier or more manageable if nice things actually happened in my life - but you can fn guarantee - no matter what I do - this is factual - don't believe in bullshit - it will never go smoothly - every obstacle - and usually ones I couldn't even envisage or think of = will be put in my path. Nice things need to happen to at least give one hope or the means to go on. I don't believe in self pity nor will I allow my self to wallow in it. I am not achieving any of my goals. I just breathe at present. And that is called life. No doubt I will muddle on.

I have never owned a tv but was at a friends on Monday and they had Shortland St on - God forbid how can people watch that dribble. Yep and my luck would be if I was fkg the 18 yr old I would no doubt get caught in the act!!! Na I wouldn't be that fn stupid.

[judecatmad]

I've seen therapy have hugely positive effects on a very broken person. Life-changing effects.

The thing with psychotherapy is, though, that the therapist doesn't fix the patient. The patient works on themselves. The therapist is just a facilitator.

Generally, stupid people have trouble achieving much through therapy. It takes intelligence, insight and courage to change oneself.

Not just stupid people, but also people who aren't actually *ready* for the therapy on offer.

CBT (cognitive behaviour therapy) was tried on me once after a suicide attempt but I was simply too unwell at that point to be able to take on board what they were trying to teach me. I guess it was the wrong sort of therapy at that time. And yet when I tried it a year or so later, it had fantastic effects and most of the stuff is now second-nature to me and it helps me to at least recognise when I'm on a slide (if not always halt the slide itself).

It's hard to have to shop around to find the right therapy, and the right therapist, at a time when you're hardly able to drag yourself off the floor each day, but yes, therapy definitely can have life-changing effects. Only if you're willing to put the effort in though (and are lucky enough to be able to afford what's on offer).

[vifferman]

At this point in time - to me the struggle of getting better just isn't worth it. Never has been before. I'm sick and tired of it. ANd Gee what do i have to look forward to - more meds - wow and what wonderful, delightful side effects will they hve. I

Well, that really sucks, and I feel for you (not that that helps you at all - "you can't eat sympathy" or summat. LOL)

After 7? 8? years of various meds (almost every antidepressant available on prescription, and some that weren't), I am very dubious about their effectiveness, and whether they make things better or worse. For me, they helped at times, but overall they complicated things, and fucked me up. "So I hem-a virry virry 'eppy to hev-a won-a the bettle" (to misquote The Doctor).
I am not an expert: I have only my own experience and those of other people I've read about or heard about. I have no doubt that there is a place for drugs, but I also think that the brain is too delicate, its workings too poorly understood, and drugs WAY too sledgehammer-like in their application for doctors to be prescribing them willy-nilly to all and sundry.

Man, I wish I had an answer, but I don't.

[Ocean1]

My Grandfather used to say "You can drive a horse to drink but you can't make it water."

He also used to say "We'll burn that bridge when we get to it."

A wise man. Maybe that's what kindled my life-long interest in Mondegreens...

Surely if he SAID that then it's a Malapropism.

If you HEARD it then it's a Mondegreen, yes? ... and how the hell would one know which was the case?

Maybe Viffer can help, seems to be the single largest known source of the appropriations of Mal.

[RiderInBlack]

Not just stupid people, but also people who aren't actually *ready* for the therapy on offer.

Right on the button.
This is why seeing a counsellor workd so well for me. I was ready to hear what he had to say and more than ready to change my life for the better. I just needed a sounding broad and a little lift in the right direction. Sounds easy but it's wasn't. Was I truly depressed? Well all I know for sure that had I not seeked help back then, I would not be live today to enjoy the life I have now. If anyone is silly enough to down play what happen for me, then they are only making fools out of themselves, and even could be causing themselves great harm. I feel sorry for them if that is what they think because they deigning themselves a happier life.

[vifferman]

Maybe Viffer can help, seems to be the single largest known source of the appropriations of Mal.

No, I can't help it - it just happens by itself.
But I'm not surprised it's taken Hitcher his whole life to kindle some Mondegreens. Try some pinecones or something slightly more flammable.

[Winston001]

yeah... people think therapy works... but we can all tell them a thing or two...

people only go when they're not actually mentally ill in any way, they just want to rabbit out some bullshit, then CLAIM it makes them better, when there wasnt anything wrong to begin with!!! ...

on the other hand... people who really need help in some form... are not helped by so called "professionals" who get paid to sit there not knowing anything, and thinking about cheese sandwiches for all we know, then giving the generic response "okay, well lets give you some drugs"...

Not picking on you AJ but trust me, you are wrong.

Therapy is essential for most types of depression. However before it can be effective, the ill persons brain chemistry needs to be put back in balance. Therapy doesn't work well for people who are really sick because their minds aren't functioning normally. They might feel normal but their thought patterns are usually distinctly abnormal eg. selfharm

Meds are not a total answer to depression and every individual reacts differently. Depression and anxiety are often rooted in childhood experiences or some traumatic adult experience. Just why some of us become depressed and others don't is not known. Indeed how the brains functions isn't well known but knowledge grows every day.

So knocking meds and therapy is unhelpful when there is plenty of research showing they work in the majority of situations.

[Ocean1]

No, I can't help it - it just happens by itself.
But I'm not surprised it's taken Hitcher his whole life to kindle some Mondegreens. Try some pinecones or something slightly more flammable.

Maybe the Mondegreens'll be dry and brown by Friday week...

A mod wouldn't PD sumat he propagated would he?

[007XX]

Maybe the Mondegreens'll be dry and brown by Friday week...

A mod wouldn't PD sumat he propagated would he?

Heavens forbid that such a thing should happen!!



*sorry Brent, had to be done...*

[Her_C4]

Ummm - and the topic was 'Depression' I believe???