WSBK Parity issues?

[White trash]

Not sure if anyone's been watching this season but it's not been bad racing in WSBK at all. For those not in the know, Ducati successfully lobbied to have the V-twin displacement limit increased in 2008 from its current 1000cc to 1200cc. They reckon the V-twins need the extra cubes to make up for performance shortfalls.

How come then, at the last meeting in Italy, were the 999 Ducatis the fastest bikes through the speed traps all weekend? Troy Bayliss taking an outstanding win in race 2 and challenging in race 1.

Performance defecit? I'm confused.........

Your thoughts please.

[sugilite:Me]

They currently have more leeway than the fours in performance mods they can carry out. Ducati are complaining they have to spend colossal money to get the performance required to be competitive. They reckon they are only getting a few hundred km's from cranks and such as it stands now.
When it goes to 1200 cc they will not have the same leeway they do now in what they can do performance wise so in "theory" the extra capacity should mean they get about the same power they have now, but be more reliable and cheaper to run.

[riffer]

Sounds like continuation of the normal order of things - being Ducatis at the front of WSB.

However, Ducati have been on a roll in motorcycle racing of late. It's possible that they really do have their shit together.


The 1098 puts out 150-odd horses. The GSXR1000 puts out 180-odd.

Superbikes should reflect that. It's gotta be something else. Any idea of the HP output of the Ducati racebikes?

[White trash]

OK, sort of makes sense. So this means as of next year we'll see privateer and satelite Ducati teams running at the front. Can't wait.......(Tui ad)

[White trash]

The GSXR1000 puts out 180-odd.

Someone really needs to tell my bike that then 'cause I've got a Dyno sheet reading 153. Where's me 27hp ya wankers?!

[sugilite:Me]

yeah, that was another one of their reasons, saying it was to expensive to supply motors for customer bikes n such. To be fair to them, the customer GP bikes are just as fast as the factory bikes through the traps.
But yeah, I'd hate to see the balance upset in favor of twins yet again.

[Bykmad]

Just watch it become the Ducati Cup again. The watch the spectators stay away again. Aw Shucks, hasnt this happened before????

[puddy]

In an Aussie bike mag either late last year or early this year, a Ducati big-wig was interviewed and was talking about lobbying to get WSB capacity for twins increased to help out the Ducati road bike. He was saying that it was down by about 20 odd HP on the jap bikes ............

[Paul in NZ]

The FIM is based in europe....

[slowpoke]

Just watch it become the Ducati Cup again. The watch the spectators stay away again. Aw Shucks, hasnt this happened before????

Have you even read any of the above posts? It's been explained pretty well why not just Ducati but all twins are allowed a displacement adavntage.

As another way of looking at it the ruling body have just evened out the valve area advantage that the IL4's currently enjoy. A 1000cc twin can only ever have a maximum valve area equivalent to a 750 four. This new displacement will just allow them to have a similar valve area as a 1000 four and therefore make similar horsepower.

If the twins have got such a huge advantage why didn't Honda keep developing their SP1/2? Oh, that's right they don't officially participate anymore, just like the other Japanese manufacturers. Seeing as how no other manufacturer can be bothered running a factory team I reckon Ducati deserve every success for maintaining their focus. Should they be penalised for taking it more seriously and investing more time, money and effort than anybody else?

[boomer]

Not sure if anyone's been watching this season but it's not been bad racing in WSBK at all. For those not in the know, Ducati successfully lobbied to have the V-twin displacement limit increased in 2008 from its current 1000cc to 1200cc. They reckon the V-twins need the extra cubes to make up for performance shortfalls.

How come then, at the last meeting in Italy, were the 999 Ducatis the fastest bikes through the speed traps all weekend? Troy Bayliss taking an outstanding win in race 2 and challenging in race 1.

Performance defecit? I'm confused.........

Your thoughts please.

fookah.. i figured no spoiler meant no spoiler... now i don't need to watch race 2 after watchin race 1 last night... fookah !

[merv]

Maybe so slowpoke but what appears annoying to us ordinary folk is that just when parity seems to be the thing then yippee Ducati can convince the officials to make yet another change in their favour.

[White trash]

Have you even read any of the above posts? It's been explained pretty well why not just Ducati but all twins are allowed a displacement adavntage.

As another way of looking at it the ruling body have just evened out the valve area advantage that the IL4's currently enjoy. A 1000cc twin can only ever have a maximum valve area equivalent to a 750 four. This new displacement will just allow them to have a similar valve area as a 1000 four and therefore make similar horsepower.

If the twins have got such a huge advantage why didn't Honda keep developing their SP1/2? Oh, that's right they don't officially participate anymore, just like the other Japanese manufacturers. Seeing as how no other manufacturer can be bothered running a factory team I reckon Ducati deserve every success for maintaining their focus. Should they be penalised for taking it more seriously and investing more time, money and effort than anybody else?

Quite good points mate, however the Japanese manufacturers all spend millions developing their "Superbikes" as road bikes. You know as well as I do that they also support their teams to the maximum extent possible without naming them factory teams. Their reasons are fairly good for NOT having "factory" teams also as far as I'm concerned.

[White trash]

fookah.. i figured no spoiler meant no spoiler... now i don't need to watch race 2 after watchin race 1 last night... fookah !

Sorry bro. How the fuck can you not know what went on over twelve hours after the fact?

[boomer]

Sorry bro. How the fuck can you not know what went on over twelve hours after the fact?

I fell asleep after the 600's, got up late and went straight to work this mornin and right up till about an hour ago i've been staring at computer code...

the tv's just gone on and i'll watch the replay at 7:30 tonight... unfortunately i know the results ya bugga :P