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    Newbold works hard to keep his name in the papers, for the most part he is just flogging headlines without any substance. Hes as inspirational as a yellow stain on white underwear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timber020 View Post
    Newbold works hard to keep his name in the papers, for the most part he is just flogging headlines without any substance. Hes as inspirational as a yellow stain on white underwear.
    So he is a GENUINE academic then! Impressive.
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    White collar vs violent L.A. styled street gangs? I'd rather be fleeced of my hard earned savings than spend the rest of my life eating through a straw, or worse, six feet under.
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    Angry Who is this idiot?

    Newbold? I for one have had enough of the little shits that run up and down my road at 2am throwing bottles, attacking and terrorising the neighbourhood, damaging vehicles and property. My neighbours no longer leave their houses after 10 on a friday and saturday night because of the local street gang fucking Spartans my arse.... I wouldn't be happy if I got ripped off, but I'd get over it easier than losing a hand or my life to one of the useless shitheads that come out here. I must have called the cops 10 or 20 times in the last 12 months, last time there were a couple of groups - maybe 20 or more throwing bottles and fighting and the cops were too busy to come straight away, 15 or 20 minutes later they turn up. I live in a supposedly "reasonable area". These are all kids, 10-18 years old... Rant over
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    Oh yeah, the White Collar Criminals: I love that band, they had that song, what was it "Scooby Snacks"? You know with the pulp fiction intro?
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    YAWN!

    The fallacy philes here continue to promote the ridiculous either or conundrum that's not actually a conundrum.

    It's NOT a case of solving one or the other of these problems, it's possible to solve both problems; they are not mutually exclusive.

    Street gang crime might best be solved by a return of neighbourhood beat cops (if our lazy cops are prepared to walk or ride bicycles) while white collar crime might be ameliorated by much harder/longer sentences and vilification for that kind of criminal.
    Of course there will be other options as well but whining about one at the expense of the other is peurile.

    Of course the visibility of street crime is much easier to identify (and whine about) that white collar crime so those with less inquiring minds will tend to fixate on it. White collar crime however, destroys livelihoods en masse, raises prices, depresses incomes and ruins our international reputation for honesty and integrity in business (NZ was rated in the top 3 recently).

    BOTH forms of offending need to be addressed and the methods to do so are obviously quite different. Thinking that one must be addressed at the expense of the other though, is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    After the time you alledge they (he) used the profits to fund a boatrace.
    I suggest that you produce some concrete evidence to show Fay/Richwhite involvement in asset sales prior to '86 to validate your claim.

    Their personal involvement in getting the America's Cup campaign underway (1984?) got them in favour with the gubbinment, a "foot in the door" if you will.
    why? he was involved in TWO boat races and the point being made here is NOT where the direct funding of the amerika's cup came from but the kind of callous capitalist Fay is and the damage he did to NZ in order to make himself dripping rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    BOTH forms of offending need to be addressed and the methods to do so are obviously quite different. Thinking that one must be addressed at the expense of the other though, is ridiculous.
    Quite right.

    Dunno why the government doesn't instate harder punishments for the white collar criminals - they're hypocritical about everything else, why make an exception for white collar crime? It's not like they're going to allow themselves to be prosecuted under those laws any more than they allow themselves to be prosecuted for speeding or reading newspapers while they're driving...

    And bring back the beat cop - probably armed and in pairs, these days. Get them to know the neighbourhoods and who the local toerags are.

    I remember being stopped and questioned by a cop late one night when returning from the 24-hour service station after getting some smokes. He wanted to know who I was, where I lived and where I had been/was going. Said he liked to know what was happening on his patch.

    Years ago and an older cop. Friendly, non-threatening, asked a shit load of questions that some PC fucktard is likely to say is a "breach of privacy" but might be handy to know if he found me battered to a pulp 20 minutes later.

    Told me to get home as there were some right scumbags on the streets at that hour.

    Used to get stopped and questioned by cops quite a lot - in my teens/early 20s, dressed in black and wandering around in the wee hours - only ever met one real arsehole and I have reason to believe the other cop who was with him tore him a second one after the way he spoke to me.

    Anyone care to look up the costs of fixing up/rehabilitating victims of street crime and suggest to those wastes of oxygen at ACC that there might be higher priorities to fund the cops for than enforcing speeding tickets?
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    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    why? he was involved in TWO boat races and the point being made here is NOT where the direct funding of the amerika's cup came from but the kind of callous capitalist Fay is and the damage he did to NZ in order to make himself dripping rich.
    Fine. So you cannot back up your initial claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    Quite right.

    Dunno why the government doesn't instate harder punishments for the white collar criminals - they're hypocritical about everything else, why make an exception for white collar crime? It's not like they're going to allow themselves to be prosecuted under those laws any more than they allow themselves to be prosecuted for speeding or reading newspapers while they're driving...
    sadly even our politicians are becoming indebted to corporate types (the very people who comit white collar crime) for donations and party funding. As long as we don't have a transparent political funding system (and we don't), politicians will in general pay back their funders with favours that reduce risk. It is likely that one of these favours is leaving white collar crime punishment alone and lax.

    Yes, I AM a cynic and I beleive that's what we all should be. It helps prevent that wool being pulled over our eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    Fine. So you cannot back up your initial claim.
    Frankly I just can't be bothered perusing your red herring. Try to stick to the subject, Merde asked who those guys were and I answered him with my own opinions as well as a couple of articles fully referenced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    Frankly I just can't be bothered perusing your red herring. Try to stick to the subject, Merde asked who those guys were and I answered him with my own opinions as well as a couple of articles fully referenced.
    You made a statement which was unable to be backed up. Your "fully referenced articles" were on points which were not relevant due to the timeframe involved. C+ for effort though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    You made a statement which was unable to be backed up. Your "fully referenced articles" were on points which were not relevant due to the timeframe involved. C+ for effort though.
    and for your opinions you offered no references at all; you merely demanded that I offer them

    Hilarious!

    as i said, go chase your own red herrings

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    i'd ratehr be alive with no money than dead with no money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    sadly even our politicians are becoming indebted to corporate types (the very people who comit white collar crime) for donations and party funding. As long as we don't have a transparent political funding system (and we don't), politicians will in general pay back their funders with favours that reduce risk. It is likely that one of these favours is leaving white collar crime punishment alone and lax.

    Yes, I AM a cynic and I beleive that's what we all should be. It helps prevent that wool being pulled over our eyes.
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