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idleidolidyll;1233929 What I saw was a couple of cops and what I'd call their sycophants trying to sell the police propaganda BEFORE any investigation had revealed anything let alone an independent investigation (something we'll never see in this case).[/COLOR
And you weren't???
Indeed I was: in RESPONSE to you and your mates biased bullshit.
Not mine, just the bull shit from the INDEPENDANT eye witnesses.
I never showed ANY disregard fore the cops life. I said he failed to consider other options because of poor training, police mentality etc. Your fallacy of trying to put words in my mouth is childish.
Go over your comments again... the direction of your points was clear enough, I want my mummy.... where is my dumdum?
I expected to be attacked with lots of ad hominem and i was not disappointed.
Who commenced what, with the cuntstable call?
I didn't COMMENCE, I RESPONDED with that one after you and your mob decided to try and label me a criminal because I opposed your point of view. More dumb fallacy.
Nah... geez you're a baby... sticks and stones... You sounded like you were in love with the tattooed con neighbour, I thought you were "mates"...
I also expected a lot of junk debate and again, I was not wrong.
The first point to note is that the Police are supposed to serve the people of New Zealand,
We do...
sure, and sometimes you serve yourselves without regard for public opinion. that's the point of THIS debate.
No it isn't... it was about the cop living, or the dirtbag dying. I voted my choice.
boo hoo! The media is to be congratulated for raising public awaremess to other sides of the story. As for witnesses, other witnesses suggest the opposite and instead of trying to offer rational debate, you attempt to vilify the opposing witnesses as you and yours attempted to vilify me.
Funny how they find the only anti Police witness though ay?
Yep, Police put words into all those witnesses mouths... Both sides have aired their view.
Yawn. Spin is not just for simplistic minds and it can be quite sophisticated. The Police have NOT been a transparent organisation for a very long time.
I am not transparent because I eat donuts and am fat....
You've never seen the resources that go into Police investigating their own. Makes me think it is worth turning into a crim...
Irrelevant and hearsay, an appeal to authority and another fallacy.. When any organisation investigates itself there is the potential and probability for abuse of the system. Justice must always be SEEN to be done and that has often not been the case with the PCA.
You must have one of those Canturbury Rugby one eyed eye patches on, dontcha? Irrelevant and hearsay?????? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha...
And if the cop had been trained better to not provoke the situation further or back off when danger threatened and call for assistance or select some other avenue that lethal force, perhaps a person would still be alive today: that is the whole point. As for the supposed attack, again, that is subject to the non transparent investigations of the PCA and you are merely leaping to conclusions based on the closing of the ranks.
The cop was out of his car, doing his job, as expected, trying to stop the fella, as would be expected. The dude was shot next to the cop car, which means he came to the cop, not the other way around. Since you know all about the entire case, how could be back off then, call for backup, whatever, with a hammer wielding attacker advancing on him from a few metres away?
Simple bollocks. Guns are not toys. I sure as hell never want to use one, but if the choice is him or me, he loses every time.
No, they are not toys but human nature indicates that when given something, people will have a desire to use it. Again you makie a conclusion based on opinion and present it as fact: fallacy.
It is a fact... if it is him or me, he loses... fact.
Yes, I would have preferred he had been tasered but I don't particularly want them here either because once they have them, I am sure cops will find reasons to use them unnecessarily.
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You seen the paperwork involved if one is presented, let alone used????????
The only thing wrong with that is that the cop should be charged with something automatically just as a civilian would be. One law for everyone.
Exactly, one law for all, which is why the gun shop owner was not charged with shooting that sack.... self defence.
Not just supporters... witnesses too...
And other witnesses say otherwise but you ignored that completely except to try and vilify them when I raised the point.
But other witnesses say otherwise but YOU ignored that completely except to try and vilify me when I raised the point...
They did not wait for an independent inquiry (perhaps because they already know that the Police will always protect their own).
[B][I]As above... media attacked, Police responded...
....with the usual whitewash. yes, i know.
The truth is a whitewash??????
I tried to offer some suggestions and was immediately attacked by the dogs of war.
No attack here... just pointed out your very flawed argument...
Nope, you merely attacked and didn't offer any rational debate on the point raised.
so you can't read, or choose not to read... which is it? Take off those rose tinted glasses...
Unlike some people, I'm not so easily intimidated and I am more than happy to fight back. The pm's I received in private support that and supported my arguments.
Same here... we could compare notes....
Indeed and THAT indicates that it is important not to let your one sided opinions hold absolute sway here.
DITTO......... My arguments hold sway????????? Since when?????????? You have support, so do I. You have opinions, so do I. You have PMs and messages, so do I. Yo get any red bling?
Yes it has been what I've said. You were merely too fixated on other parts of my posts to notice.
You think I care???????? Pffftttttt........
Good, that's what I expect from taxpayer funded orgs. Is scumdog also on holiday?
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wake up you weak kneed spinless bleeding heart liberals it's because we live in a pc society (that you & Helen created) the crim has all the rights because of their back ground & all that 
so why don't you start backing the cops & pushing for parents to get their rights back & holding the crims resposible for their actions 
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