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    Cerebral palsy is a condition caused by neurological maldevelopment. The precise causes are unknown and sufferers can in no way be considered responsible for their condition

    Cerebral palsy is frequently accompanied by other health problems. Mental disability is common as is incontinence.

    It is also known that cerebral palsy is often concomitant with obesity, and, simultaneously, with malnutrition. In other words sufferers are malnourished ("fail to thrive") even though they are obese.

    It is hypothosised that the explanation for this may be that neurological damage disrupts the bodies metabolic pathways , leading to malabsorbtion or ineffective use of nutritional factors. In an attempt to compensate for this the body sends "eat more food" signals. The obesity is the effect of this. In other words, sufferers eat excessively because their bodies cannot effectively process the food. It is just like a bike with an ignition misfire. Because the engine is not getting the full benefit of the fuel, you have to open the throttle more to compensate and use more fuel (eat more). But this in turn means that even more incompletely burned fuel is passed out the exhaust as pollution (fat).

    Cerebral palsy is a terrible, cruel condition. Even more cruel however is the attitude of society, where able bodied people think it good fun to get their jollies by mocking the disabled and handicapped.

    Perhaps we may wonder , if others cannot tolerate his presence on a 'bus for a few hours, how his parents feel, who must deal with his problems all the time . Or , indeed, the school.

    Those here mocking the lad , who are still young enough to have children in the future, may care to reflect that karma can be a real bitch sometimes. Those past that age: did y'ever wonder how the boys grandparents feel?
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    Completely agree Ixion!!



    I'm never having children because I once watched a programme on Dwarfs and laughed for several hours (I was a bit younger, but still), so figured karma would kick me in the arse one day.

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    Terrible situation! For what ever reasons this lad has all of these issues, the results of them should not be inflicted on others when they dont have a choice to avoid them.

    Personally travelling on a school bus with this boy would not be something that I would like to do. There are other options to get him to school, I see the family are going to be offered money so they do the transportation them selves. There are private transport operators that can provide the transport if required.

    Seems to me this is a case of a shocking lack of communication by the parties involved in making the decision to ban him from the bus.

    Poor little (yes little, he is 13, Intellectually handicapped, and really sick) bastard, is my spin on this boy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    Cerebral palsy is a condition caused by neurological maldevelopment. The precise causes are unknown and sufferers can in no way be considered responsible for their condition

    Cerebral palsy is frequently accompanied by other health problems. Mental disability is common as is incontinence.

    It is also known that cerebral palsy is often concomitant with obesity, and, simultaneously, with malnutrition. In other words sufferers are malnourished ("fail to thrive") even though they are obese.

    It is hypothosised that the explanation for this may be that neurological damage disrupts the bodies metabolic pathways , leading to malabsorbtion or ineffective use of nutritional factors. In an attempt to compensate for this the body sends "eat more food" signals. The obesity is the effect of this. In other words, sufferers eat excessively because their bodies cannot effectively process the food. It is just like a bike with an ignition misfire. Because the engine is not getting the full benefit of the fuel, you have to open the throttle more to compensate and use more fuel (eat more). But this in turn means that even more incompletely burned fuel is passed out the exhaust as pollution (fat).

    Cerebral palsy is a terrible, cruel condition. Even more cruel however is the attitude of society, where able bodied people think it good fun to get their jollies by mocking the disabled and handicapped.

    Perhaps we may wonder , if others cannot tolerate his presence on a 'bus for a few hours, how his parents feel, who must deal with his problems all the time . Or , indeed, the school.

    Those here mocking the lad , who are still young enough to have children in the future, may care to reflect that karma can be a real bitch sometimes. Those past that age: did y'ever wonder how the boys grandparents feel?
    Thanks Ixion........one issue is also bladder and bowel control.

    Natalie often poos in her knickers as she has trouble with bowel movements because she is not walking which all helps this process. I have a strong nose, however, I would not be impressed if she was banned from a bus or other area because she accidentally did a poo.

    I am a forgiving person so will not be beating Dan up tonight but he should know better as he lives in a house with a disabled child......I will just get Nats to run him over in her wheelchair.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrandom View Post
    Gosh, maybe that's the mystery diagnosis I've been looking for all these years!

    Although I like to call my personal eating disorder 'Norfland Green Syndrome'.

    Oh well. Guess I'd better go check the tyre pressure and chuck some chain lube on the Trek before I go put 50km of pedalling into offsetting the effects of my Dire Health Problems.

    Odd, isn't it, how one's 'morning' training rides so often end up as rushed pre-dinner affairs...
    He never made it......the disorder is called 'bedsititis'...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerfufflez View Post
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    Adult incontinence diapers???
    I am all for mainstreaming, giving people with disabilities the same opportunities as able bodied folk, however not at the expense of others.
    If this lad's disability leads him to be incontinent and he has other health related issues, there is recourse in the education budget for him to be provided with a taxi for transport to and from school.
    The problem with NZ is that parent s of kids with disabilities are noot told what they are entitled to, therefore don't know how to go about getting it...the govt can save heaps of money if people don't apply for things that will help them and their kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yungatart View Post
    Adult incontinence diapers???
    I am all for mainstreaming, giving people with disabilities the same opportunities as able bodied folk, however not at the expense of others.
    If this lad's disability leads him to be incontinent and he has other health related issues, there is recourse in the education budget for him to be provided with a taxi for transport to and from school.
    The problem with NZ is that parent s of kids with disabilities are noot told what they are entitled to, therefore don't know how to go about getting it...the govt can save heaps of money if people don't apply for things that will help them and their kids.
    Agree, however, I was not told what Nats was entitled to, however, having been to many Disability forums I find that NZers are pretty apathetic and expect to be told rather than find out themselves (easily done on the Internet)........incontinent stuff can be googled and are not expensive so could buy themselves.

    Hence why I got funding for a $35,000 powered wheelchair when Nats was 2, a hi/lo seat ($10,000) which for a 4 year old is a first in NZ (normally given when in early teens), hi/ low seat for home etc etc and have pushed modifications early for mods to Nats new school which are gonna cost $200,000.

    When you have a disabled child you don't sit on your arse, you have to get off it and be a parent instead of expecting a knock on the door.

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    Poor fucker - some people get dealt a shit hand of cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grahameeboy View Post
    When you have a disabled child you don't sit on your arse, you have to get off it and be a parent instead of expecting a knock on the door.
    And I can hardly see you allowing Nats to somehow reach 140kg by age 13.

    Given that the boy is scheduled for a stomach-stapling operation and a personal fitness trainer has been lined up following this event, I'd say that the boy's obesity is, in fact, simply due to his parents' negligence. If the doctors can safely staple his stomach shut in an effort to stop him stuffing his face, he does not need to eat as much as he does, full stop.

    The parents are to blame, here, nobody else. One feels an enormous amount of sympathy for the boy. I'm sure there are many 13-year-olds, disabled or not, who would eat themselves to death if they were allowed. The fact that this boy has cerebral palsy makes his parents' lack of care even more reprehensible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrandom View Post
    And I can hardly see you allowing Nats to somehow reach 140kg by age 13.

    Given that the boy is scheduled for a stomach-stapling operation and a personal fitness trainer has been lined up following this event, I'd say that the boy's obesity is, in fact, simply due to his parents' negligence. If the doctors can safely staple his stomach shut in an effort to stop him stuffing his face, he does not need to eat as much as he does, full stop.

    The parents are to blame, here, nobody else. One feels an enormous amount of sympathy for the boy. I'm sure there are many 13-year-olds, disabled or not, who would eat themselves to death if they were allowed. The fact that this boy has cerebral palsy makes his parents' lack of care even more reprehensible.
    Hopefully she will reach 13...

    I kinda see what you are saying, however, having a boy with cerable palsy is a huge stress in itself and it may be that the parents are just not coping well rather than lacking any care.......I am sure people will say that Nats must be hard work but on the disability scale she is 'low maintenance' compared with this kid with cerable palsy.

    The parents are clearly struggling, perhaps with little support..........unless you can put yourself in their shoes it is not easy to judge because we just focus on the kid's issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Kendog View Post
    I'm never having children because I once watched a programme on Dwarfs and laughed for several hours (I was a bit younger, but still), so figured karma would kick me in the arse one day.
    Someone else want to take this? Naaahh. Trudes - go get a metre ruler. Stand it on one end. Stand next to it. Instant Karma!

    Grahame, in a lot of cases you have a limited period of time in which to avail yourself of a service within the NZ health system and often grief, rejection, depression, and the general apathy that the health system feels for the disabled (some of the bastards glory in seeing happy people taken down) means that you don't register for X Y & Z in time and you miss out for ever. The health/social welfare system also makes you reapply for for any entitlements on yearly basis, even for things like CP and Cystic Fibrosis for which there is no cure. Go through a bad patch and miss out and you may find that the wait to get back into the system isn't worth even trying.

    Someone, be it a family member or friend, or possibly even the person responsible for getting you signed up for services, the Hospital Social Worker (we were lucky - we got a good one who was in the process of quitting because they'd cut her resources to the point where she couldn't do her job) needs to identify if you can do for yourself, or if you need to be led through the process. Often just being directed to help is all people need to take control of the process, so they can realise there is no help and they need to HTFU and do it themselves if they want their disabled kid to have any quality of life.

    It's really easy to be critical. What if this kid is an undiagnosed Prader-Willi syndrome? Sounds like he might be. Slow at school, grossly obese, and bowel issues are all part of the problem. They have no appetite control and the syndrome doesn't assert itself as a problem until between the ages of 7-10. Some as early as 4, some as late as 11 or 12.
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    Can someone tell me why the mum cant drop him off?
    No he cant go on the bus, they have short busses for people like that.
    Responsibility lies on the parents here, not the bus drivers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grahameeboy View Post
    The parents are clearly struggling, perhaps with little support..........unless you can put yourself in their shoes it is not easy to judge because we just focus on the kid's issues.
    And, then again, we don't know the full story, but it's always possible that the parents are a pair of layabouts [insert obligatory comment about Dan staying in bed all day Sunday] who simply didn't care, and are only doing something now because the glare of public scrutiny has been turned upon them.

    Sad, but often true.

    I don't recall off the top of my head the website where one looks up decile ratings of NZ schools, but what's the bet Kawerau College is Decile 1?

    One could be forgiven for building a certain mental image of the parents. I wonder if they have jobs...
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