Smelly fat-arse banned from school bus

[James Deuce]

Can someone tell me why the mum cant drop him off?
No he cant go on the bus, they have short busses for people like that.
Responsibility lies on the parents here, not the bus drivers.
Why risk the majority for the few.

He probably shit himself on the bus once after getting a stomach bug and a 'Reporter" has turned this issue into something that it isn't.

"Fat Kid Shits Himself on Bus" obviously generated a bit of advertising revenue, didn't it?

Oddly enough, there are people in NZ who struggle to afford bus fare for their kids let alone own a car, but I'm sure that comment will generate the typical series of Marie Antoinette inspired comments that it always does amongst people who have it pretty good.

[Grahameeboy]

Can someone tell me why the mum cant drop him off?
No he cant go on the bus, they have short busses for people like that.
Responsibility lies on the parents here, not the bus drivers.
Why risk the majority for the few.

You have just expressed a view that sadly backs up the fact that NZers are actually the worse in the world when it comes to respect for disability.

Why shouldn't kid be allowed on the bus and integrate. He is disabled, so he has bowel problems.....the parents / kids on the bus can lead 'normal' lives so a little bit of understanding rather than just handing the kid a ban.......geeze.

Why risk the majority for the few? A selfish attitude..........

[The Pastor]

Can someone tell me why the mum cant drop him off?

He cant fit in a car.



Maybe walking to school would be a better alternative?

[Grahameeboy]

Someone else want to take this? Naaahh. Trudes - go get a metre ruler. Stand it on one end. Stand next to it. Instant Karma!

Grahame, in a lot of cases you have a limited period of time in which to avail yourself of a service within the NZ health system and often grief, rejection, depression, and the general apathy that the health system feels for the disabled (some of the bastards glory in seeing happy people taken down) means that you don't register for X Y & Z in time and you miss out for ever. The health/social welfare system also makes you reapply for for any entitlements on yearly basis, even for things like CP and Cystic Fibrosis for which there is no cure. Go through a bad patch and miss out and you may find that the wait to get back into the system isn't worth even trying.

Someone, be it a family member or friend, or possibly even the person responsible for getting you signed up for services, the Hospital Social Worker (we were lucky - we got a good one who was in the process of quitting because they'd cut her resources to the point where she couldn't do her job) needs to identify if you can do for yourself, or if you need to be led through the process. Often just being directed to help is all people need to take control of the process, so they can realise there is no help and they need to HTFU and do it themselves if they want their disabled kid to have any quality of life.

It's really easy to be critical. What if this kid is an undiagnosed Prader-Willi syndrome? Sounds like he might be. Slow at school, grossly obese, and bowel issues are all part of the problem. They have no appetite control and the syndrome doesn't assert itself as a problem until between the ages of 7-10. Some as early as 4, some as late as 11 or 12.

True, however, I at heart I am a Londoner, passionate about Nats and I will bash heads to get her what she needs, not just what she is entitled to.......have not lost a battle yet and I have created so much with the Services that I am now getting what Nats needs without hassle......like you say HTFU and do it yourself.......

[Grahameeboy]

And, then again, we don't know the full story, but it's always possible that the parents are a pair of layabouts [insert obligatory comment about Dan staying in bed all day Sunday] who simply didn't care, and are only doing something now because the glare of public scrutiny has been turned upon them.

Sad, but often true.

I don't recall off the top of my head the website where one looks up decile ratings of NZ schools, but what's the bet Kawerau College is Decile 1?

One could be forgiven for building a certain mental image of the parents. I wonder if they have jobs...

The parents may still be grieving, depressed etc and just need help to motivate themselves.

You are forgiven..........

[Grahameeboy]

He cant fit in a car.



Maybe walking to school would be a better alternative?

May not be that simple.................

[judecatmad]

One thing that seems to be being forgotten here is that under the Human Rights Act in New Zealand, it is illegal for anyone to be discriminated against on the grounds of disability. So, rightly or wrongly, this kid is legally entitled to ride in the bus and the bus company have no right to stop him travelling.

My feelings on the HRA are strong and not for this thread.

[NordieBoy]

"The 140kg boy receives specialist medical care for morbid obesity attributed to a serious bowel condition."

So it's a serious bowel condition that has caused the obesity.

[Grahameeboy]

"The 140kg boy receives specialist medical care for morbid obesity attributed to a serious bowel condition."

So it's a serious bowel condition that has caused the obesity.

In a nutshell...........funny how the obvious is often missed.........at same time disability will be a factor.

[Grahameeboy]

One thing that seems to be being forgotten here is that under the Human Rights Act in New Zealand, it is illegal for anyone to be discriminated against on the grounds of disability. So, rightly or wrongly, this kid is legally entitled to ride in the bus and the bus company have no right to stop him travelling.

My feelings on the HRA are strong and not for this thread.

Nz is often guilty of forgetting about the Human Rights Act.

Remember arguing this with Mobility Solutions. Response was "which clause are you referring to"...........he ended up getting seriouse grief and he was disciplined by his boss.....

The Ministry of Health is more concerned with Maori Rights than Human Rights......for eg, the Board must have a Maori representation in proportion to population in the area but nothing about disabled representation.

[crashe]

I just can not believe the negative stuff that I have read in this thread.

Maybe those of you, who are being so negative and nasty, need to go and do some volunteer work at your local special needs schools........ and see how these kids get on in life.

Many parents struggle everyday and don't know what they are entitled to for their child/young adult..... because the govt depts fail to tell them. They find out by word of mouth from another parents or a stranger talking to them.

From the age of 21, these young adults have no where to go, to give their parent respite care during the daytime. So they are then left at home 24/7, unless the parents place them in residential care. Yes special needs kids remain at school until they turn 21 if under IHC.

These kids are wonderful kids, who never asked to be born with a disability.... but they have a smile on their face most of the time. They all struggle with day to day stuff...... some have to totally rely on others 24/7.

Many have no control over their bodily functions....... just like many of you will, when you get to old age and in a rest home.

Yes there are nappies for all sizes..... I know that there are adult nappies available, but they are also damned expensive. There are also nappy pads to be placed inside knickers, again so damned expensive.


So when you get old and piss and crap in your pants, shall we also ban you from going anywhere.... No because that is taking away your human rights.

How about showing some compassion and tolerance to your fellow countryman.





To those who were positive and understanding - thank you.

[Hitcher]

How about showing some compassion and tolerance to your fellow countryman.

In the armed forces, "self-inflicted wounds" are a punishable offence. Our society has enough to worry about with people who are genuinely disadvantaged without pandering to people who lack sufficient gumption to get off their burgeoning arses and sort out their own shit, as it were. I for one will not be expressing either compassion, nor tolerance, for such folk. The welfare state is (to misquote Richard Prebble) supposed to be a safety net, not a fucking hammock.

[HenryDorsetCase]

You have just expressed a view that sadly backs up the fact that NZers are actually the worse in the world when it comes to respect for disability.

Why shouldn't kid be allowed on the bus and integrate. He is disabled, so he has bowel problems.....the parents / kids on the bus can lead 'normal' lives so a little bit of understanding rather than just handing the kid a ban.......geeze.

Why risk the majority for the few? A selfish attitude..........

Uh, because people are assholes generally? and kids are the worst. Has anyone thought about how terrible this kid's life on the bus would be after the incident(s) described? I know the animals I went to school with would be absolutely appalling to the poor fat fucker.

Its a better outcome for all if he walks to skule, surely. And dont get me started on whether he should be attempted to be integrated or not. topic for another day.

[HenryDorsetCase]

How about showing some compassion and tolerance to your fellow countryman.

wont happen. People are just not like that.... particularly on the interwebs when they dont have to front people.

[Grahameeboy]

In the armed forces, "self-inflicted wounds" are a punishable offence. Our society has enough to worry about with people who are genuinely disadvantaged without pandering to people who lack sufficient gumption to get off their burgeoning arses and sort out their own shit, as it were. I for one will not be expressing either compassion, nor tolerance, for such folk. The welfare state is (to misquote Richard Prebble) supposed to be a safety net, not a fucking hammock.

This is not self inflicted.

It is not the kids fault. Okay blame the parents, however, they have a lot to deal with and generally there is not a lot of support for disabled parents, as shown by this post and others.

Disabled kids like this were born like it so a safety net is not really appropriate.......of course ACC is a safety net for those who do not take responsibility for their own actions and if it was a dependant like a kid, you can bet that ACC would pull out all the stops to offer help to the parents.

A while back I sliced the end of my thumb off. Had to go to Shore Care to get the bleeding stopped. A week later I received a letter from ACC asking me whether I needed any assistance...........the poor parents of this kid, or any disabled kid, would have got nothing following prognosis.

Not all parents of disabled kids deal with things like me and Jim2 do.