Bradford Bitch gets her first conviction.

[tri boy]

How was the Fishing?

[devnull]

How was the Fishing?

As opposed to the trolling?

[tri boy]

As opposed to the trolling?

Owww! that really hurt.
Wheres Sue when you need her. (blows hard on Dog Whistle).

[Ocean1]

True, but then you have to wonder why the kids are like that............poor parenting, set bad examples.........I am sure if you looked at more closely there would be a a link to the parents behaviour, could be they argue a lot, seperated, all sorts of things.............they see their parents get away with things so they copy...........

Absolutely agree. Those kids are violent or disruptive because the parents failed to effectively set limits to their behaviour. It really is that simple.

Some kids invariably respond to simple no/yes statements and some don't, some are teachable using exclusively positive reinforcement techniques and some aren't. I'd suggest most (boys in particular) occasionally need negative concequences to reinforce behavioural lessons. And make no mistake, the effect of Bradford's ill-considered piece of bullshit, (should one be so irresponsible as to fail to ignore it as required), is to remove a vital component of the tools nescessary to raise well behaved kids.

[007XX]

Absolutely agree. Those kids are violent or disruptive because the parents failed to effectively set limits to their behaviour. It really is that simple.

Some kids invariably respond to simple no/yes statements and some don't, some are teachable using exclusively positive reinforcement techniques and some aren't. I'd suggest most (boys in particular) occasionally need negative concequences to reinforce behavioural lessons. And make no mistake, the effect of Bradford's ill-considered piece of bullshit, (should one be so irresponsible as to fail to ignore it as required), is to remove a vital component of the tools nescessary to raise well behaved kids.

I missed ya! and yes, agree totally...

As many of us have posted since this thread started, we are not advocating beating the daylight out of children. Those who do should be very severely prosecuted and punished.

But these are a case by case occurence and should be treated as such...not a gross generalisation treating every parent as a potencial criminal.

It is an insult to all parents.

[MSTRS:Me]

I'm well aware of the meanings of both those words.
If meaning of pedantic includes 'say what you mean', then we agree on something.OK - it is pedantic to insist that one 'says what they mean'...statements like 'the victim faces the legal consequences' say one thing, when the opposite was intended
As for futile...yes, I'm arguing with an idiot

Pedantic does not mean 'say what you mean' It's meaning is 'to the strict adherance.......... and to the literal meaning at the expense of the wider view.'
Spelling, old boy
The word that you are wanting is articulate. Able to speak or write fluently or coherently. That means using the correct word or words for what you want to say or describe accurately etc.
Indeed
As for me being an idiot I can only assume that this is based on the fact that I do not agree with you. Once again wrong word.
Failure to agree does not an idiot make...arguing for a flawed concept, when no evidence exists to support that argument, does.
Skyryder

Correspondence is closed. Ed.

[Ocean1]

I missed ya! and yes, agree totally...

It is an insult to all parents.

Aw shucks.

Was hugely impressed by the kids in China, not many little ones out in public, (not many little ones period, one per couple and all...) but the ones I saw were cheerful and well managed. The teenagers all wanted to talk, about everything, they were well spoken, knew where/what NZ was and desperate for a chance to improve their english by speaking to a native user. (insert sarcasm here).

They're also fascinated by beards.

[007XX]

Aw shucks.

Was hugely impressed by the kids in China, not many little ones out in public, (not many little ones period, one per couple and all...) but the ones I saw were cheerful and well managed. The teenagers all wanted to talk, about everything, they were well spoken, knew where/what NZ was and desperate for a chance to improve their english by speaking to a native user. (insert sarcasm here).

They're also fascinated by beards.

Funnily enough, I found the same in Malaysia a few years ago...lovely kids with lots of smiles. The only problem was that they were so poor, they were continually begging for money, which positively made me feel like a criminal for looking so well fed and having clean clothes on my back.

[Skyryder]

As opposed to the trolling?

Much much better.

[Ocean1]

Funnily enough, I found the same in Malaysia a few years ago...lovely kids with lots of smiles.

Perhaps one of the differences is the cultural acceptance of having a place, a defined role to undertake, (in China). Malaysia seems to have lost some of their cultural societal values, seems to be a common feature in rapidly changing cultures.

The only problem was that they were so poor, they were continually begging for money, which positively made me feel like a criminal for looking so well fed and having clean clothes on my back.

Well fed? You hardly look over-nourished m'dear, you do need clothes on the front as well however.

[007XX]

Perhaps one of the differences is the cultural acceptance of having a place, a defined role to undertake, (in China). Malaysia seems to have lost some of their cultural societal values, seems to be a common feature in rapidly changing cultures.

Yes, I have heard that before. I was in Malaysia quite some years ago, and I am told it has quite a bit in latter years, not for the best either. Which is an absolute shame, as it was in my mind one of the most beautiful place on earth.

Well fed? You hardly look over-nourished m'dear, you do need clothes on the front as well however.

Oh, that must be why you were stuggling to look me in the eye upon our meeting. Can you even remember what colour they are?

[The Tazman]

Can I just point out the poll results!!!! How did the anti smacking law get passed!!!!!

I can't believe that people thought that this law would stop those low life scum f**ks that BEAT (not smack) their kids. How many stupid people are there out there?????

There are laws about murder but does it stop it happening?????????

All this law has done has taken away another form of discipline and as it goes on we see more and more what kind of kids are appearing. They all think they can do what they like, say what they like and when ever they like. When you really speak to good honest people you find out they had some discipline, often in the way of the odd smack.

Until people realise there will be consequences for THEIR actions and it's THEIR fault not someone else's it's just going to get worse.

I'm sure there'll be some do gooders out there that would disagree but look where all this PC shite has got us.

That's my opinion anyway

[Skyryder]

Correspondence is closed. Ed.

I'm only getting into my stride.

Failure to agree does not an idiot make...arguing for a flawed concept, when no evidence exists to support that argument, does.

Not too sure who penned this under my name but it's a fancy way of saying that until there is evidence to the contrary one should not support an argument or take a position on anything unless some kind of evidence can be produced to support it.

In other words supporting an argument where there is no evidence does not neccessarily make for an idiot. Einstien could no more support his theory with evidence but no one would call him an idiot.



A 'concept' is an abstract idea among other things. The very nature of this (abstract ) can at times preclude the gathering or the presentation of evidence as in the Theory of Relitivity. Instead the idea is argued on logical grounds.(mathamatical equations is one) The meaning of concept that you have defined falls outside of the parameters of this discussion.

I

Skyryder

[Ocean1]

Oh, that must be why you were stuggling to look me in the eye upon our meeting. Can you even remember what colour they are?

The clothes? No idea, did you not notice my general lack of fashion awareness?.

Be fair though, I was struggling to maintain eye contact with the whole premesis at the time.

[007XX]

The clothes? No idea, did you not notice my general lack of fashion awareness?.

Be fair though, I was struggling to maintain eye contact with the whole premesis at the time.

True enough...