Bradford Bitch gets her first conviction.

[Grahameeboy]

Never did me any harm (did it?)....the odd canning at High Shcool, a Pool Que or a branch around the arse from Mum (as a kid) yeah i deserved it i guess, but i turned out alright didn't i?....

You did, cannot disagree with that.....but doesn't mean the Bill is wrong

[Maha]

Careful Mark. Don't give the anti-brigade any real ammunition...

What about the Strap at primary school?.... one teacher even had a name for his leather hurty thing....and fuck that hurt more than the cane!...'Why cant i sit on a mates shoulders with my feet out straight while playing Bullrush?.....

[devnull]

I have no issue with that..............I have no doubt that is what you would do.....guess not all Dad's are like you and what they thing is just a sting ends up being more and this is the difference.

That's the core of the whole debate... the majority of parents ARE just like that, and object to extremists dictating how to raise their kids, with nothing other than political idealism to back them up.

Bradford's political beliefs should make anyone wary anyway - she's a devout Maoist, but I've yet to meet any Chinese that lived under his regime and thought it good.

The global warming debate (now called climate change because the planet wouldn't play the game and warm up on demand), has brought a lot of scientists into disrepute. Politicising science was a huge blunder on the part of the UN.

Google for "ponder the maunder" and see what a young college student in the US put together, showing Al Gore's movie for what it is...

Comparing pseudo-science to over 20 years of hard psych research on child development is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

What's contributed to the anger of parents is that this isn't the first time in history that govts have tried to control the population through their kids. It was particularly successful prior to the WW2 (Hitler Youth - started in Bavaria in 1922. By 1930 there were over 25000 members. It replaced the Boy Scout movement)

A "feeling" or "belief" that a law may be OK is not sufficient justification to experiment with other peoples' children...

[Grahameeboy]

That's the core of the whole debate... the majority of parents ARE just like that, and object to extremists dictating how to raise their kids, with nothing other than political idealism to back them up.

A "feeling" or "belief" that a law may be OK is not sufficient justification to experiment with other peoples' children...

But Laws are designed to deal with the minority. It does not tell Parents how to bring up kids, it just sets boundary's.............Parents set boundarys for kids so what's the issue.

But so far the argument is about the Parents, not the kids. The law is not about experimenting with other people's kids.

[Skyryder]

There are no political beliefs in protecting children from violence. It required a political will to do so. That's different.

Lets try and get this into perspective with a simple analogy. Correct me if I am wrong but many of you believe in the right of the parent to smack the child...............but when the child grow up does he have the right to 'smack' the parent.

Skyryder

[Grahameeboy]

There are no political beliefs in protecting children from violence. It required a political will to do so. That's different.

Lets try and get this into perspective with a simple analogy. Correct me if I am wrong but many of you believe in the right of the parent to smack the child...............but when the child grow up does he have the right to 'smack' the parent.

Skyryder

Exactly..............it's okay for parents to smack kids, shout at them but not the other way around when they are older.

You see we live in an Adult's world to suit them because as we grow older we become selfish....

In the States a while back a boy got a Court to allow him to disown his parents.....good on him I say...............

[yungatart]

Lets try and get this into perspective with a simple analogy. Correct me if I am wrong but many of you believe in the right of the parent to smack the child...............but when the child grow up does he have the right to 'smack' the parent.

Skyryder

In a word, "no!"
The Bible says.."honour thy Mother and thy Father"
Healthy correction/discipline of a child leads to respect for authority.

[Maha]

In the States a while back a boy got a Court to allow him to disown his parents.....good on him I say...............

In the States, you can also sue MacDonalds if your coffee is too hot, or if your Mobile Camper crashes while you are sitting in the back having your lunch....'it was on cruise control, that shouldn't happen'!.....

[devnull]

There are no political beliefs in protecting children from violence. It required a political will to do so. That's different.

Lets try and get this into perspective with a simple analogy. Correct me if I am wrong but many of you believe in the right of the parent to smack the child...............but when the child grow up does he have the right to 'smack' the parent.

Skyryder

That's crap. The same old argument that any form of discipline is violence.
It has no logical basis whatsoever - just political extremism, promoted mainly by those that are not, and will never be, parents.

If adults and children were identical, then we wouldn't have laws that exempt children from being charged with most crimes. An adult is expected to show personal responsibility, and can be held accountable.

A child is learning these concepts - the parent has a duty to teach them. It isn't optional - no matter what the socialists think.

Just today we see yet another homicide committed by 3 teenagers.
When will it be enough?

[Grahameeboy]

In the States, you can also sue MacDonalds if your coffee is too hot, or if your Mobile Camper crashes while you are sitting in the back having your lunch....'it was on cruise control, that shouldn't happen'!.....

Mom has trained you well..............bugger....all the same Power to Kids I say

[Maha]

Mom has trained you well..............bugger....all the same Power to Kids I say

Its all the i receive as an Adult.....

[MSTRS:Me]

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You can always head into sth Auckland, and start fixing up the mess there with your softly softly approach.

Oh, good idea. When you've been stabbed, beaten to death with a hunk of 4x2, and kicked into next week, you could turn the other cheek, shake your finger at them and tell them to go to the naughty chair.

[Grahameeboy]

That's crap. The same old argument that any form of discipline is violence.
It has no logical basis whatsoever - just political extremism, promoted mainly by those that are not, and will never be, parents.

If adults and children were identical, then we wouldn't have laws that exempt children from being charged with most crimes. An adult is expected to show personal responsibility, and can be held accountable.

A child is learning these concepts - the parent has a duty to teach them. It isn't optional - no matter what the socialists think.

Just today we see yet another homicide committed by 3 teenagers.
When will it be enough?

Do you sometimes thing that perhaps that the actions of some kids has nothing to do with what the parent does.

What makes all parents thing they know how to teach kids the right concepts............soo looking at the bit in bold, you seem to be agreeing with the Bill in it's intent because this is what it is aimed at.

[Grahameeboy]

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Oh, good idea. When you've been stabbed, beaten to death with a hunk of 4x2, and kicked into next week, you could turn the other cheek, shake your finger at them and tell them to go to the naughty chair.

Now you are beginning to understand..............of course the trick is to avoid getting in that situation in the first place.

Anyway, have been to South Auckland a few times and seems okay to me...........

[Grahameeboy]

Its all the i receive as an Adult.....

So when I come and visit one day can I have 2 lumps.......