Bikers collide with Police car in Buller Gorge (1 December)

[Skyryder]

Couldn't be bothered reading beyond this line.

At least I stated that it was speculation first. See the difference between that and the rest of the thread??? Jesus H Christ this place is a fucken drain on my patience!

Plus I said "these are the questions that run through my mind", not, "I'm a self appointed expert on what ever I feel like being an expert on today and this the truth because I decided it was or because some news paper published it so it most be true"!

Yes and you criticise others for doing what you do.........speculate. So whose the pot and the kettle here. You choose.

Skyryder

[spudchucka]

Yes and you criticise others for doing what you do.........speculate. So whose the pot and the kettle here. You choose.

Skyryder

The difference is I'm not baying for anyone's blood, I'm not deciding what the cause was, I'm not predetermining what the outcome of the investigation is going to be, I'm not getting out the hang man's noose or rounding up the posse to go and deal to the villain.

And I'm not rallying around the cop involved and defending him, which is what you accused me of back in post 183.

If you can't see the difference I can't be stuffed taking this any further.

[Skyryder]

As long as it takes to be properly investigated, which is something none of you lot have very much of an idea of at all.

Well at least I read all of a post before making comments on it.

Just for you Spud.

Yes we all could wait for reports etc but the internet and forums are not committee of enquires, they do not have to produce reports etc. They respond to current events and are made up of various types of individuals in this case those that have an interest in bikes.

As a matter of interest the road would be much more dangerous for bikers if there was no HW patrol. We would bear the brunt of that by way of deaths and injuries. But I expect other road users that includes the police to drive in a safe and lawfull manner. This accident was not an error of judgement but a calculated risk that resulted in injuries of two innocents.



Yes that is one alternative, keeping our mouths shut. The other is to hit the ignore button and only leave those that agree with you. But no ones doing that. Are you??

Skyryder

[spudchucka]

Well at least I read all of a post before making comments on it.

I only commented on the bit I did read, which was what put me off reading any further.

[spudchucka]

The other is to hit the ignore button and only leave those that agree with you. But no ones doing that. Are you??

Skyryder[/I]

See attachment if you really feel the need to know.

[spudchucka]

This accident was not an error of judgement but a calculated risk that resulted in injuries of two innocents.

Sounds a lot like pre-determining the outcome of the investigation to me!

[avgas]

seems to be alot of head hunting here.
i personally have not swayed anyway in my opinion.
The sheer fact that one bike hit one part of the car and another bike hit another part of the car tells me 1 thing about the riders. They were not riding to the conditions.
The sheer fact that the car was sideways blocking the road tells me one thing, the driver didn't know what they are doing (my previous holden would quite happily do a 2m turning circle, but then we have the loss-of-traction law......)
Everyone one is wrong here, no one wins.
Everybody looses.
Arguing over who is right and wrong in this instance is just sad.

[mstriumph]

This whole thread is one big assumption. That line you quoted was obviously a piss take FFS!

never!
everyone KNOWS that the constabulary have no sense of humour!!






--- and that WAS a p/t!

[spudchucka]

never!
everyone KNOWS that the constabulary have no sense of humour!!






--- and that WAS a p/t!

It wears extremely thin at times but hasn't completely deserted me as yet.

[Fatjim]

One thing has just struck me, and no it wasn't the missus.

I know and have ridden with one of the bikers involved, and have met at least one of the others on several occasions, enough to get a general idea as to his character.

Because of that I can make SOME fairly safe assumptions regarding these events. Many of those making comment in this thread do not have this information.

I also know from personal experience that this kind of information may not be considered in the melting pot of the SCU investigation, and this is a pity, because very often the same old trite conclusions of speed are drawn, and very real contributing factors to accidents are not dealt with. One only needs to visit the corner that Uncle B died on last year to see this and it breaks my heart to know that someone so competent and level headed can die, and still the authorities will not deal with real issues.

[orange dog]

Boy there is a lot of pedantic bitchin on this thread !

I'm just looking for updates on the health of the riders and to see if there is any way I can be of support... and to see how the Police respond.

Claiming that the riders are in any way at fault due to not being able to stop within their viewable distance whether they were speeding or not, is PC crap ! As bike riders (particularly on a fantastic, winding road like the one in question) we at least assume that if we can not actually come to a halt, at least we can take evasive action (like going around, not an option in this case)

The cop did a stupid thing and is at fault period. Despite his actions making me damn pissed off, he is only human and is more likely a victim of crap training and pressure to meet quotas.

MD, thanks for your posts. I know you should'nt be saying anything, official or not but if you have any updates on the riders, let us know. Cheers

[Pex Adams]

One thing has just struck me, and no it wasn't the missus..

Yes she did... Don't lie to us

[Coldrider]

On TV1 news tonight, yet another police car trashed in an urban area, ended up off the road on someones front lawn, 2 police, 1 car, one wet road, no one else involved, no defence offered by top brass. T'is getting a bit embarrassing isn't it.

[terbang]

Arguing over who is right and wrong in this instance is just sad.

Can't agree there mate.. Debate the isuue enough and we may actually force the truth and reality about why this accident happened as I smell arse covering at the moment. Then we can use that to prevent further similar occurances. Its called learning from our mistakes and sometimes people and organizations need to stand up and be honest when they make dangerous mistakes, such as this case.
Think of the pain and social cost if the same old accidents happened time and time again because people were too afraid (or devious) to face the truth and cannnot admit and learn from their own mistakes.
Now thats sad..

[JimBob]

Bugger being the poor lads coming round the corner and seeing no where to go. Whats the bet, the chap in ICU hit the rear wheel - worse possible place to hit a car (over the wheels), aim for the doors if you have too.

I would of thought aiming for the doors would be your worst option. More likely your body will get collected by the body of the vehicle. At the wheels, with a bit of luck, you will go over the vehicle and skate down the road. (assuming a sedan) Its the sudden stop that does the damage. I'm no expert, but I did whack the front of a car that drove straight out of a drive. I went over the bonnet and ended up near 80 metres down the road but didnt sustain any major injury. I am sure if I T-boned the car I would have collected the roof sill at the very least and done myself some serious damage.
Of course when a car suddenly appears in front of you, there is no time to "plan" anything. Good luck more than good managment determines the outcome.