Bikers collide with Police car in Buller Gorge (1 December)

**chris norman** · 9th December 2007, 16:21

I repeat does anybody know how these guys are, the media seems to be silent.

**spudchucka** · 9th December 2007, 16:55

Originally Posted by Skyryder

Do you really want me to answer that?? I could think of several that would imply more intelligence on the part of the cattle than the officer.

Skyryder

It was hypothetical, an answer isn't required, just thought.

**spudchucka** · 9th December 2007, 17:14

Originally Posted by Skyryder

I seem to recall that you responded to one of my posts in reference to me being a 'looney.' If that's not a judgment call I don't know what is. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Skyryder

Actually I think I referred to the majority of people posting to this thread as looneys so don't go thinking you've been getting any preferential treatment.

MD · 9th December 2007, 17:34

Originally Posted by chris norman

I repeat does anybody know how these guys are, the media seems to be silent.

Good news all round today.

Brent has been transferred from Nelson to Wgtn Hospital.

Even better, the other rider, Marty, regained consciousness today for the first time since the crash and has spoken a few words and wiggled his toes.
I guess this goes a long way to relieve fears of brain damage and paralysis.

**Skyryder** · 9th December 2007, 17:58

Originally Posted by MD

Good news all round today.

Brent has been transferred from Nelson to Wgtn Hospital.

Even better, the other rider, Marty, regained consciousness today for the first time since the crash and has spoken a few words and wiggled his toes.
I guess this goes a long way to relieve fears of brain damage and paralysis.

That's good to hear.

Skyyrder

**ElCoyote** · 9th December 2007, 18:05

Originally Posted by SHELRACING

You have made a very valid point.

Maybe the officer had tunnel vision.... Ah! ha! a biker speeding, I got you, you aint gona get away, your mine!

My thought is he should have been more aware of road and traffic conditions before making a decision to U turn.
We expect that every driver on the road should think carefully before doing a manouvre like that on such a narrow busy road. Yet time after time, drivers fail to observe the basic common sense decisions. He made a serious error in judgement.

Immediately following this unfortunate incident the head Pig was seen on TV and on three occasions said the cop did a 3 point turn. Wasn't there don't know but a cop car in the middle of the road possibly reversing is scary.

**_Shrek_** · 9th December 2007, 18:06

Originally Posted by rwh

Absolutely. It certainly sounds like the police officer made a mistake. I don't think I've seen anyone on this thread arguing with that.

But from the point of view of the motorcyclists, what's the difference? They came round the corner, the road was obstructed, and they failed to stop in time. They failed to stop in the amount of clear road ahead.

It's not nice to criticise a fallen biker, but with the amount of rubbish being spouted, the picture wasn't very balanced. Better to just not comment on their behaviour than to try and claim it was blameless.

Richard

well said rwh & if we are all honest most of us have been caught out now & then these guys were unlucky

**puddytat** · 9th December 2007, 18:31

Originally Posted by MD

Good news all round today.

Brent has been transferred from Nelson to Wgtn Hospital.

Even better, the other rider, Marty, regained consciousness today for the first time since the crash and has spoken a few words and wiggled his toes.
I guess this goes a long way to relieve fears of brain damage and paralysis.

Thats awesome news MD !!!

**PeeJay** · 10th December 2007, 04:02

Originally Posted by JimBob

I take it that in your view it is 100% on the cop unless some contrary evidence comes to light.
The view that it is 100% on the bikers unless some contrary evidence comes to light is equally valid.
So when the factual hard evidence is in we will be in a better position to hold web court
I would be very surprised if the bikers dont carry some of the can for this crash. Perhaps not enough to stop a prosecution of the cop.
(By responsibility I mean personal as well as legal responsibility)

Reportedly doing 90-95 around a blind corner.
Was this a reasonable and prudent speed to do around this particular corner?
Bearing in mind they obviously couldn't see very far around it.
So whether we like it or not, speed around this corner may have been a contributing factor even if it was within the speed limit.

The trouble with this bloody country is its always someones else's fault
just an observation

Not what anyone wants to hear when 2 of there mates are in hospital but your probley right

**MSTRS:Me** · 10th December 2007, 08:05

Originally Posted by JimBob

So whether we like it or not, speed around this corner may have been a contributing factor even if it was within the speed limit.

Of course it was. The riders had to actually be moving to be able to hit the car.

**Skyryder** · 10th December 2007, 12:50

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Actually I think I referred to the majority of people posting to this thread as looneys so don't go thinking you've been getting any preferential treatment.

Yep just as I thought. Your above post clearly states your mindset to those that have a different view than your own. It's a pity that you got personal I had given you some cred up to this point, but not now. I suggest you update your ignore list. Seems the 'honourable' thing for you to do.

Skyryder

**Skyryder** · 10th December 2007, 13:04

Can anyone 'point me in the right direction' where the investigating authority has claimed 'speed was a factor.' I'd like to look at this before commenting. Thanks

Skyryder

**HenryDorsetCase** · 10th December 2007, 13:38

Originally Posted by pritch008

Of course, in the Buller Gorge that could also put you over a fifty foot drop into the river?

potentially. the run from OSullivans thru to Iron bridge is one of the best whitewater runs in New Zealand.

Dropping fifty feet into a Grade 3+ 4 rapid wearing bike gear is probably not the good look, even if you DONT hit a big rock when you land.

I dont think I have EVER been quite as focussed as I was standing at the top of a rapid in there called "Gunslinger" going OK, river right first eddy, out, middle go LEFT dont go straight ahead then river right then eddy out...... Of course I screwed it up and went straight into the biggest hole I'd ever been in. Luckily it was flushing not holding that day........

Just thinking about it has made my palms sweat.

**HenryDorsetCase** · 10th December 2007, 13:43

Not to make light of the situation, but surely this goes to prove that the handbrake turn is the only appropriate method of executing a quick 180. Plus its about the most fun thing you can do in a car. (I'm told.....)