Cops busted me for wheelie.....

**jrandom** · 11th December 2007, 12:44

Originally Posted by madandy

Does friction between said hoisted front tyre and the air it's slicing through count?

No.

Read the link in my post, guys.

In terms of current traffic regulations, 'sustained loss of traction' is a separate charge to careless or dangerous driving, and relates only to driven wheels.

**madandy** · 11th December 2007, 12:48

We both posted at the same minute. Link followed. My question was more a cheeky poke at physics types rather than the legal interpretation.

**Edbear** · 11th December 2007, 12:51

Originally Posted by Mikkel

...*If* they manage to record the rego number they still have to prove beyond reasonable doubt who was riding the bike at that time...

Actually I think they ask the registered owner and if he doesn't tell them they can do things. Not certain what, but I believe you have a legal obligation to say who was riding/driving your car at the time. I stand to be corrected by those who know these things, though.

**jrandom** · 11th December 2007, 12:58

Originally Posted by madandy

My question was more a cheeky poke at physics types rather than the legal interpretation.

I know, but I never miss an opportunity to be pompous.

**Mikkel** · 11th December 2007, 12:59

Originally Posted by Edbear

Actually I think they ask the registered owner and if he doesn't tell them they can do things. Not certain what, but I believe you have a legal obligation to say who was riding/driving your car at the time. I stand to be corrected by those who know these things, though.

I recently had a chat with my mate who's a cop about this matter...

If they don't catch you red handed and you don't admit to having driven/ridden the vehicle then it's the police's responsibility to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that you were indeed the driver/rider.

Oh yes, you may have to lie to them to get off - and they might very well realise that you're lying but they can't do anything unless they can prove it.

**jrandom** · 11th December 2007, 13:01

Originally Posted by Mikkel

If they don't catch you red handed and you don't admit to having driven/ridden the vehicle then it's the police's responsibility to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that you were indeed the driver/rider.

Yup, and if you don't give them the name of the person who was, they can do you for, um... not giving them the name of the person who was, I suppose.

Might still be easier on the licence and bank account than admitting to one's crime, of course, although I seem to recall that the maximum penalty for not telling them who was driving the vehicle is a $10,000 fine.

**Usarka** · 11th December 2007, 13:02

Originally Posted by Mikkel

I recently had a chat with my mate who's a cop about this matter...

If they don't catch you red handed and you don't admit to having driven/ridden the vehicle then it's the police's responsibility to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that you were indeed the driver/rider.

Oh yes, you may have to lie to them to get off - and they might very well realise that you're lying but they can't do anything unless they can prove it.

Which in front of a judge or jury probably consists of:

Were you riding the bike
~No
Where was the bike
~Dont know
Who was riding the bike
~Dont know
Right.......guitly.

**madandy** · 11th December 2007, 13:05

If you hadn't reported the bike stolen and couldn't offer up a guilty freind who was riding it at the time I'd say that unless you've got one of them fancy German bikes what can ride themselves then you're the guilty rider...
Anyway, I though we had to prove our innocence rather than they prove our guilt!

**Mikkel** · 11th December 2007, 13:07

Originally Posted by jrandom

Yup, and if you don't give them the name of the person who was, they can do you for, um... not giving them the name of the person who was, I suppose.

Might still be easier on the licence and bank account than admitting to one's crime, of course, although I seem to recall that the maximum penalty for not telling them who was driving the vehicle is a $10,000 fine.

Or you could just be a nice guy and cooperate!...

You: His name was Jim we met at the pub and offered to drive me home since I was too pissed myself. He left through the back door 10 seconds ago - sorry, I think you missed him...

(Eventually they might chuck this in:
Police: Following your vehicle we only saw one person in the car. Could you elaborate on this?
You: Oh that would have been Jim, I was having a nap on the rearseat...)

Police: Have you got a surname, phonenumber or any contact details on this Jim person?
You: No sorry, only just met him tonight.
Police: (Thinking: you're pissed, you're lying and there's not a goddamn thing I can do about it) Ok, that'll be all - have a nice evening.

**marty** · 11th December 2007, 13:17

here's two parts to the requiring to stop.

1. If you are directed by an officer - that is, if he is on the other side of the road, in unifiorm or a patrol car, and signals you to stop, then you must do so.

2. if you are being 'followed' by disco lights, then you must stop.

as far as i'm aware, if you are not 1, signalled to do so, or 2, being followed, then you don't have to stop. the simple act of puting lights on while on the opposite side of the road would not be sufficient, especially if it was a busy road - could have been for any number of reasons!

of course, you run the risk of your rego being obtained, and the ticket coming in the post anyway for the offence you may or may not have committed when seen by the 5-0..

**Mikkel** · 11th December 2007, 13:31

Originally Posted by marty

1. If you are directed by an officer - that is, if he is on the other side of the road, in unifiorm or a patrol car, and signals you to stop, then you must do so.

I very rarely focus on what's going on at the side of the opposite lane unless it is going to be travelling into my path of travel...
It would be an easy thing to miss when you're just pootling along in busy city traffic to be honest.

**YellowDog** · 11th December 2007, 19:42

You must have a good attitude and a great smile. Police seem pretty good in general, but once they actually stop you...............

**The Pastor** · 12th December 2007, 06:00

Originally Posted by madandy

I actually p[referred the song 'Evil Dick'

Do you see the Irony in the fact that Ice T plays a detective in the TV series, Law and Order?
I'd love to see your face if you were being fucked over by some violent person(s) and called out for a Cop to halp your ass

the cops give a shit. - yeah right.

**madandy** · 12th December 2007, 06:12

Yeah, you're right. With your attitude I'd probably stand back and watch you bleed too.

Had a bad experience?

**Taine** · 12th December 2007, 06:55

Originally Posted by Mikkel

I wasn't suggesting doing a runner as such. But if they are not behind you with their lights and siren you're not required to stop...

Filter through to the lights, go around the block so they loose sight of you, park you bike get off it and walk away... Come back 10 minutes later and maybe you would have avoided it. You wouldn't have to do anything dangerous.

Well actually the cop did say that they were glade I stopped as they expected me to run

if I had things would of been ten times worse....loss of bike, loss of licence...in jail till court...with a whole lot of charges.......:

not the responsible thing to do when you have fello riders with ya i'd say......