Bikers collide with Police car in Buller Gorge (1 December)

[Deano]

I have been on plenty of group rides in the past where brake lights apparently mean nothing, which is why I don't group ride any more.

Hell no - brake lights are an opportunity to make up some ground on the dude in front.

[Coldrider]

VE Commodores engine management chip has huge memory for crash data & maintenance diagnostics. The can reveal much about what the movements of the car was prior to air bag deployment. Aussie manufactured cars lead the world in Big Brother systems, be warned.

[scumdog]

VE Commodores engine management chip has huge memory for crash data & maintenance diagnostics. The can reveal much about what the movements of the car was prior to air bag deployment. Aussie manufactured cars lead the world in Big Brother systems, be warned.

That is why it is unwise to turn off the Electronic Stability Control etc.

If ya bin as a result they'll know.

Apparently.

[Coldrider]

That is why it is unwise to turn off the Electronic Stability Control etc.

If ya bin as a result they'll know.

Apparently.

And the traction control. tried moving off wet grass ?

[scumdog]

And the traction control. tried moving off wet grass ?

Even worse - try to do a U-turn when your left rear wheel is on wet grass/mud.

Car takes off with the same alacrity of an asthmatic Bambina, potential to be very embarrasing.

[roogazza]

You need to hold a NZ driver licence, class 1 full.
You attend additional driver training and are assessed as part of your recruit training and then receive further training and assessment at district level once you graduate.

Correct spud, The last bit at District level is fairly new and I'm not familiar with it , but the other I have had lots to do with.

It just erks when you hear from news media/police dept. etc. of the highly trained/expert/skilled drivers within the police !!!!!!

They are not ! ..... a road code test, a few days driving, being shown cornering lines etc and a short day at Manfeild under strict guidelines does not produce anything but a good average driver, and thats what they are.
I heard just last week that the college component is now just 5 days. Gaz.

[spudchucka]

I agree the driver training is pretty lame, it really only confirms that the driver is competent, certainly not advance in any way. Although the training could identify drivers that do have advanced skills and this is noted on personal files etc.

But I'm not that familiar with when or where the media and in particular the police are publishing claims that police officers are highly trained drivers. In fact, about the only time I read that claim anywhere is right here on KB when you lot are on one of your FTP crusades.

IE: "... police officers are meant to be highly trained drivers....blah....blah...blah" etc.

Personally I think the police should be looking at advanced driver training course as the minimum.

The only police that get more advanced training that I'm aware of are the DPS & PPO's and one other squad that I won't name.

[Fatjim]

Well actually, if you go up the tukas on a Wednesday you'll more than likely see several cop cars full of piglets doing some driver training. They certainly travel at speeds in excess of those I would expect a someone charging by the hour in a toyota starlet with an L plate on the back to travel.

Oh, and driving for a living where "pursuit" is a reasonable common practice must count for something too.

[Quasievil]

Havent read much of this thread but saw it last night on campbell live.

I know Brett personally and I must say I laughed like hell when he said he was doing 90kmph.....................YEAH RIGHT

Cop prolly could have picked a better spot Im sure but the bikers Im very confident where not doing 90kmph so I think combination of two sets of stupidity equals the much talked about result.

feel sorry for me mate and I feel sorry for the Cop.

shit happens people, and often around the next corner........................................are you ready for it ???

[scumdog]

It just erks when you hear from news media/police dept. etc. of the highly trained/expert/skilled drivers within the police !!!!!!

They are not !

Ah, another myth to add to the "highly trained expert marksmen" that Police are meant to be.

FFS We would need another 300 extra staff to cover when the others were not on deck due to being away for 'expert' training for various elements over a month or so each year.

Highly Trained me arse!!

[Deano]

Well actually, if you go up the tukas on a Wednesday you'll more than likely see several cop cars full of piglets doing some driver training. They certainly travel at speeds in excess of those I would expect

They are just chasing those hoons on TCWNR.

[MSTRS:Me]

Hear what you are saying Quasi, but none of the evidence we've seen so far indicates they were travelling at significant speed. Those bikes were in 'reasonable' shape for having hit an (essentially) stationary car.

[spudchucka]

Hear what you are saying Quasi, but none of the evidence we've seen so far indicates they were travelling at significant speed. Those bikes were in 'reasonable' shape for having hit an (essentially) stationary car.

It seems to me that Quasi has the ability to look at this situation objectively, which is a quality sadly lacking around here.

[MSTRS:Me]

It seems to me that Quasi has the ability to look at this situation objectively, which is a quality sadly lacking around here.

What the hell is 'objective' about saying you know the guys and 'yea right' to 90-95kph? Isn't it all about the physical evidence?

[Jantar]

It seems to me that Quasi has the ability to look at this situation objectively, which is a quality sadly lacking around here.

SC, I sometimes wonder just where people learn to differentiate between objective and subjective.

What the hell is 'objective' about saying you know the guys and 'yea right' to 90-95kph? Isn't it all about the physical evidence?

MSTRS, you have it right. A subjective assessment is a perceived one, whereas an objective assesmment is a measurable one. Quasi's comment about knowing the rider and hence what the speed may have been is not even subjective, it is guessed. An objective assessment will only be available when actual measurements are made public. eg The distance at which that part of the road would have been visible, the speed of the patrol car at the point of impact, and hence how far across the lane it would have travelled during the reaction time etc.