Bikers collide with Police car in Buller Gorge (1 December)

[spudchucka]

What the hell is 'objective' about saying you know the guys and 'yea right' to 90-95kph? Isn't it all about the physical evidence?

It appears that he has accepted it as being a possibility and can see that fault may not lie entirely with one party. You on the other hand appear to be in some sort of denial in regards to the possibility that the bikers may have contributed to their own demise in some way.

[spudchucka]

SC, I sometimes wonder just where people learn to differentiate between objective and subjective.



MSTRS, you have it right. A subjective assessment is a perceived one, whereas an objective assesmment is a measurable one. Quasi's comment about knowing the rider and hence what the speed may have been is not even subjective, it is guessed. An objective assessment will only be available when actual measurements are made public. eg The distance at which that part of the road would have been visible, the speed of the patrol car at the point of impact, and hence how far across the lane it would have travelled during the reaction time etc.

From the Oxford Dictionary:

Objective: Not influenced by personal feelings or opinions.

Quasi's comments in relation to knowing the individual reflect personal knowledge and therefore no doubt personal feelings so in that sense he isn't objective.

However his willingness to accept that there may be blame on other parties, not just the cop, indicates that he is being objective and not allowing any anti police feelings that he may harbour to cloud his assessment of the situation.

[MSTRS:Me]

It appears that he has accepted it as being a possibility and can see that fault may not lie entirely with one party. You on the other hand appear to be in some sort of denial in regards to the possibility that the bikers may have contributed to their own demise in some way.

Utter bollocks. The only thing I am certain of is that the cop made a very dodgy choice in turning at that particular bit of road. That, and any member of the public doing the same thing with the same result would have been charged (probably with Careless Causing Injury) within hours .

[GSVR]

Havent read much of this thread but saw it last night on campbell live.

I know Brett personally and I must say I laughed like hell when he said he was doing 90kmph.....................YEAH RIGHT

Cop prolly could have picked a better spot Im sure but the bikers Im very confident where not doing 90kmph so I think combination of two sets of stupidity equals the much talked about result.

feel sorry for me mate and I feel sorry for the Cop.

shit happens people, and often around the next corner........................................are you ready for it ???

How fast do you reacon they were going? Within plus or minus 10kph
MD was obviously going faster as he was a bit ahead of them infact hasn't he been issued with a speeding ticket?.

[MSTRS:Me]

MD was obviously going faster as he was a bit ahead of them infact hasn't he been issued with a speeding ticket?.

He said he was a 'bit over the limit' and fronted up to the cops within a short time. He has not said that a ticket has been issued. Yet.

[Quasievil]

Sheesh some passion in the masses on this one.
No point getting all ranty people, I dont know the fact s...........hey neither do you, I can tell you that I would be very very surprised if the boys (known for a good ole blat around the south every year) where doing 90kmph on one of the nicest stretches of road, in fact I would be surprised if they where doing under 120kmph.
Point is......................dont cop bash and rant and rave about the innocents of bikers, two lots of situations made this go bad, the cop was one, the riders where possibly another, both unfortunate set of circumstance made this happen, not one action only.
not wanting to start or get into a shit fight on it, but to be objective open your minds up a little bit.
in summary, what do I know...........fuck all really, I know the standard of behaviour on the south island trips with these boys, I know what they have done in the past, and I very much doubt they where doing 90 kmph, I know the cop made a dum choice, thats all
cheers
now Im off to drink some beer and play some pool with cowpoos

love yas all

[homer]

oh come on

were back to this post again

Look its fucken simple
ok
you do a u turn and cause an accident ....ok

it your fucken fault

its like leaving a car park
or reversing

It dosnt matter what else happens it still your fault

Its not a discussion
its bloody black and white

if it happens to you ,got to court and see how far you get

[Usarka]

now Im off to drink some beer and play in the pool with cowpoos

love yas all

crikey!

[Skyryder]

oh come on

were back to this post again

Look its fucken simple
ok
you do a u turn and cause an accident ....ok

it your fucken fault

its like leaving a car park
or reversing

It dosnt matter what else happens it still your fault

Its not a discussion
its bloody black and white

if it happens to you ,got to court and see how far you get

Exactly. Don't care how fast the bikers were going it was the car in the middle of the road that should not have been there.

Skyryder

[spudchucka]

Exactly. Don't care how fast the bikers were going it was the car in the middle of the road that should not have been there.

Skyryder

And if it was pile of rubble from the cliffs above or a mob of sheep you'd want it / them prosecuted too.

If you use public roads you will at some stage find obstructions on them.

[McJim]

And if it was pile of rubble from the cliffs above or a mob of sheep you'd want it / them prosecuted too.

If you use public roads you will at some stage find obstructions on them.

Y....essss. But with all due respect if you do U turns near blind corners you will at some stage get hit by a moving object too...

I have no opinion yet...I'm just a bare faced shit stirrer. At least I admit that up front.

[homer]

Exactly. Don't care how fast the bikers were going it was the car in the middle of the road that should not have been there.

Skyryder

Hell yeah
if the bikes were speeding , if they were
it is still the cops fault ,
you cant argue that they were speeding ,cause you did something unsafe
its like saying i didnt give way but its not my fault

[spudchucka]

Y....essss. But with all due respect if you do U turns near blind corners you will at some stage get hit by a moving object too...

I have no opinion yet...I'm just a bare faced shit stirrer. At least I admit that up front.

I'm not arguing for the cop, just for common sense.

But I don't think that anyone here that rides a bike like a 999 Duke or Benelli TNT could keep a straight face and say that they were only doing 90 - 95 through that section of road. MPH perhaps might be closer to the truth.

[GSVR]

I'm not arguing for the cop, just for common sense.

But I don't think that anyone here that rides a bike like a 999 Duke or Benelli TNT could keep a straight face and say that they were only doing 90 - 95 through that section of road. MPH perhaps might be closer to the truth.

They way I heard the interview on Cambell live was he said he was doing 90-95 when he exited the corner and saw the police car across the road and thought to himself what that %$#@ do I do here.

Can't brake hard and turn at the same time so he had to stand the bike up and brake hard I guess.

Back to the "section of road" are you talking about the whole road or the actual corner? Could a rider do 160kph around it? I got the impression it was a bit tighter than that.

Easy solution to this is ban all vehicles that can do more the 100kph. Like why the fuck would anyone buy one unless they wanted to break the law.
A good start would be removing all red ones as we all know red ones go faster.
Hang on that wont work as they can still speed in 50kph zones.

As insurance companys state even if you know your in the wrong don't admit to anything. Its just a fucked up old world we live in.

[Quasievil]

And if it was pile of rubble from the cliffs above or a mob of sheep you'd want it / them prosecuted too.

If you use public roads you will at some stage find obstructions on them.

thats right, but common spud bikers can ride as fast as they want and bear no responsibility for their own safety, its always the cars fault by default aint it.