ATNR (Auckland Thursday night ride) - Discussion thread

[Kittyhawk]

If a debrief helps then all well and good. What's the downside? And what about those with poor risk assessment? Do I stand back and watch them hurt themselves? No - HELL no. I can't do that in good conscience.

The most anyone can do is give advice or guide. We have people to police the roads for a reason. No one can control another on a machine of grace. Certian inputs create negative and unpredictable outputs, but one must remember that at the end of the day, anyone out on a road could always be close to death.

I see it if people fuck it up, put others at risk etc, then they should not be welcome back to the group, however we have no control over riding on the roads as this is a public environment.

As for those with poor risk assesment...do we ride with strait jackets on??

[ManDownUnder]

I see it if people fuck it up, put others at risk etc, then they should not be welcome back to the group, however we have no control over riding on the roads as this is a public environment.

In extreme examples yes, but we haven't reach that point with anyone yet (have we?) and as you point out - what're we going to do? We only have control over ourselves so a quiet wander to KFC Westgate might be the order of the day?

As for those with poor risk assesment...do we ride with strait jackets on??

No - we point it out to them when they do something stupid and do what we can to increase their chances of survival.

Should they be THAT bad they are a constant risk to themselves and others - I'd ring the cops and have them re-assess their entitlement to use a vehicle on public roads. Curtailing the freedom of an individual not worthy of it is the much better option relative to someone getting hurt... lety alone dying.

I'd do it in a heartbeat.

[westie]

Mental note to self - dont piss off mdu on the road and will stay out of jail(:

Lots of banter
Sounds like it was a good ride though

[Kittyhawk]

In extreme examples yes, but we haven't reach that point with anyone yet (have we?) and as you point out - what're we going to do? We only have control over ourselves so a quiet wander to KFC Westgate might be the order of the day?

No - we point it out to them when they do something stupid and do what we can to increase their chances of survival.

Should they be THAT bad they are a constant risk to themselves and others - I'd ring the cops and have them re-assess their entitlement to use a vehicle on public roads. Curtailing the freedom of an individual not worthy of it is the much better option relative to someone getting hurt... lety alone dying.

I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I dont see the point in increasing the chances of survival because no matter how safe you are out there on the roads, there will always be someone else who will stuff it up for you. We could all be riding along in safety bubbles wear all the safety gear and still someone would get inside and hurt you. There is one kber, whom I told him "too much power too soon, you dont have experience to naturally control it should things go wrong" hate to say it, but he's not with us anymore..I told him, he brushed it off and laughed at me. I walked away shaking my head. How do I feel now? heartless I tried, but people are stubborn will do what they want when they want.

*sighs* Im warning you now, you better ring the cops in advance before I get my next bike.

[ManDownUnder]

*sighs* Im warning you now, you better ring the cops in advance before I get my next bike.

If you know you're not fit to ride... then don't get another bike. You're welcome on the back of mine anytime.

[Kittyhawk]

If you know you're not fit to ride... then don't get another bike. You're welcome on the back of mine anytime.

People change and riding styles change over time...I for one have.

[Biggles08]

And if yourve got a problem with my riding, tuff luck, ride somewhere else

I've never met you directly but I understand your a pretty good sort (based on people I know who know you) - but dude, you gotta give more room to other riders on the ATNR. Overtaking on fast sweeping corners may be all fine and dandy for you but some others (me for one) don't like being forced that close to other riders. A few ATNR rides ago you did this to me at the top of old north road where they go mountain bike riding...I was forced to adjust my line and brake heavily to allow you to come back into the correct line (you overtook me in the same lane as me while I was on the full lean) - I was pissed rightly at you that night...I went looking for you at the pub to give you an ear full but you weren't there...probably just as well in hindsight. Anyway, I'm not trying to take the piss but when I read this comment from you I was compelled to say something. My only comment is that I don't want to ride hard out with people I don't know - who also don't know me. The ATNR in my view is not a good venue for this type of riding. Like NinjaNana said I have no problem with people going as fast as they want but don't force me to share your risk...ensure that, if you are going to go hard, you ONLY place yourself at risk and no other road users.

Sorry if you take this the wrong way...its supposed to be constructive.

[Qkchk:Me]

Have I missed something here?

Since when did ANYONE bin on last weeks ride?


I would hope if any one of you have been seriously offended by someone elses' riding attitude, you would let me know as per Post #1 of this thread:


"...........Anyone who is caught endangering others by their actions will be asked to leave the ride and may be refused entry to forthcoming rides! (As we have had seen in the past)................ "

By the term Endangering - Hitting a kill switch on someone elses handlebar while motion is a good example........or running people off the road. There have been a few serious contenders for this "instant dismissal" but usually this is resolved by a few serious word with the offender.

[ManDownUnder]

Have I missed something here?

Of course you have - riding that chook chaser you're always going to struggle keeping up. (It looked like a laugh though!)

[Nagash]

Christ, completely forgot about the bet.

You can buy me a beer when my cast comes off and I actually attend one of these ANTR thing-os.

Cheers!

[ArcherWC]

I've never met you directly but I understand your a pretty good sort (based on people I know who know you) - but dude, you gotta give more room to other riders on the ATNR. Overtaking on fast sweeping corners may be all fine and dandy for you but some others (me for one) don't like being forced that close to other riders. A few ATNR rides ago you did this to me at the top of old north road where they go mountain bike riding...I was forced to adjust my line and brake heavily to allow you to come back into the correct line (you overtook me in the same lane as me while I was on the full lean) - I was pissed rightly at you that night...I went looking for you at the pub to give you an ear full but you weren't there...probably just as well in hindsight. Anyway, I'm not trying to take the piss but when I read this comment from you I was compelled to say something. My only comment is that I don't want to ride hard out with people I don't know - who also don't know me. The ATNR in my view is not a good venue for this type of riding. Like NinjaNana said I have no problem with people going as fast as they want but don't force me to share your risk...ensure that, if you are going to go hard, you ONLY place yourself at risk and no other road users.

Sorry if you take this the wrong way...its supposed to be constructive.

Not taken the wrong way mate, Noel (the stranger) gave me a yell the next day to ask what I had done, and I was truly supprised.
I actually overtook both of you on the same corner and he was happy with the space givern (though we have ridden together a reasonable amount), also I should note that it was round the outside, so if I had a moment, then it wouldnt affect you.
I was actually on the other side of the road and didnt pull back in till I was past Noel (in front of you) so not sure why you were braking or adjusting your line (maybe I gave you a bit of a fright )
To be fair i thought at the time that you were probably being a bit of a sook, But like you I know people that know you who seem to think your ok.

Anyway no drama, introduce yourself next time (or I will if I see ya first)

[NinjaNanna]

Not taken the wrong way mate, Noel (the stranger) gave me a yell the next day to ask what I had done, and I was truly supprised.
I actually overtook both of you on the same corner and he was happy with the space givern (though we have ridden together a reasonable amount), also I should note that it was round the outside, so if I had a moment, then it wouldnt affect you.
I was actually on the other side of the road and didnt pull back in till I was past Noel (in front of you) so not sure why you were braking or adjusting your line (maybe I gave you a bit of a fright )
To be fair i thought at the time that you were probably being a bit of a sook, But like you I know people that know you who seem to think your ok.

Anyway no drama, introduce yourself next time (or I will if I see ya first)

Now that's the spirit I had intended, bling sent both your ways. No fuckin drama, and now Archer knows to give Biggles a little extra room.

Sweet as, thank guys.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Good boys, a much nicer way to solve minor issues than, say, thrusting a towbar up someones arse for instance.
I congratulate the both of you. Next!

[jrandom]

I actually overtook both of you on the same corner and he was happy with the space givern (though we have ridden together a reasonable amount), also I should note that it was round the outside, so if I had a moment, then it wouldnt affect you.

Yeah, yeah.

Biggles said that he had to brake hard and move left to let you back onto the left-hand side of the road after you overtook him.

Sounds like you:

A. Bit off more than you could chew with the overtake - if you'd made it stick properly, he should have been able to hold his line and squirt off the apex without needing to brake as you dipped back in.

B. Were riding as though Old North Road was a racetrack with runoff space and no oncoming traffic.

All things considered, it sounds as though you had a bit of the old red mist going on and were more or less being a twat.

Good lessons to be learned, problem won't occur again, I'm sure, glad to see we're all responsible adults who handle things maturely, etc.

Next please.

[ManDownUnder]

Next please.

fuggin troll - back under your bridge.

Or to paraphrase Mr Python - "this is an ex issue"