I'd like you to resign!!!

**YellowDog** · 13th February 2008, 21:16

Originally Posted by rainman

Not absolutely sure but a recording without prior consent may be relatively useless legally. (Still valuable to have a personal record though - most cellphones can do a decent job of this too).

YellowDog, don't negotiate without your lawyer present! 3 or 4 months equivalent pay would be a fairly standard settlement, but think of the other people this bastard will fuck over unless someone gives him the learn. Consider it a public service, raising the management IQ....

Point well put and taken on board, as indeed are the others.

Now on a 'Public Service' mission.

This calls for a bigger NEW bike!

**rainman** · 13th February 2008, 21:22

Originally Posted by Ixion

Drug and Chemical Workers, BTW.

Might be a bit of a reach then....

**MadDuck** · 13th February 2008, 21:22

Originally Posted by YellowDog

Point well put and taken on board, as indeed are the others.

Now on a 'Public Service' mission.

This calls for a bigger NEW bike!

Me thinks you need a rather big shovel. Ask for an opinion on here and well there ya go...everyones a damn expert

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 13th February 2008, 21:27

Originally Posted by YellowDog

"Things aren't working out and I'd like you to resign. We can do this the easy way, or the hard way via HR. Which would you prefer? I'd prefer it if you left now!"

To get fired, you need to have verble and written warnings. (for the same thing). My boss got caught on this after an employee got caught steeling... and had to pay out... (though even I agreed with me boss)
Get a lawyer.
To be made redundant they must give you notice, and they must not replace you.
Double check your employment agreement and then check it again with a lawyer... many contracts are writen by the employee (to meet their wants and needs) and are not worth the paper its writen on when comes to the crunch, are usually breaking a couple of laws in the process...
Get a lawyer.
Being asked to resign is a wank factor that he is to chicken to say you are fired. Else he would say the position is being made redundant...
mention the employment contract, point out the 30 days temination.
get a lawyer.
ummmmmmm I am sure there is more but Im sleepy :zzz:

**offrd** · 13th February 2008, 21:29

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**Zoolander** · 13th February 2008, 21:33

Some good advice here, don't let them bully you into resigning!! Just a couple of points, someone correct me if i'm wrong - as far as taking hidden tape recorders in, I believe there is a law that prevents any recordings being used as evidence if you have not advised them you will be doing so (can be taken out of context, etc.) By all means take a recorder in, but I think you will have to let them know beforehand. Also don't trust HR!! Take an independant support person in with you. If you can't afford legal help or are not a member of a union then you can get free help, try contacting employment law or similar. Good luck!!

**Tank** · 13th February 2008, 22:06

Speaking as someone who had to pay out for an 'unusual' dismissal of someone who had worked for me for less than a week - it cost my company 10k. So its worth your time as your case sounds more open and shut than my one.

Good luck!

**YellowDog** · 13th February 2008, 22:18

Originally Posted by Tank

Speaking as someone who had to pay out for an 'unusual' dismissal of someone who had worked for me for less than a week - it cost my company 10k. So its worth your time as your case sounds more open and shut than my one.

Good luck!

Sounds unreasonable. Hard luck. I'm sure there are many willing to milk the system without just cause.

**Tank** · 13th February 2008, 22:40

Originally Posted by YellowDog

Sounds unreasonable. Hard luck. I'm sure there are many willing to milk the system without just cause.

It happens. I was just glad to be rid of him. He interviewed fantastic - then when he turned up he was a fuckwit. 3 staff said if he didnt go - they would.

Such is life - Im guess he is serving fries now.

**shafty** · 13th February 2008, 23:15

Good Luck Mate;

I casually put my Palm Pilot on the table in such a situation - it was recording. After the (Dickhead) GM and I had finished, he said "What does that thing do?" My reply: "Most things!"

Insofar as permittable recording goes, - you can at least use it to make detailed notes - and just say, that between you and your Support Person, you remembered most things. They won't be recording you, so no worries.

Enjoy your new Bike!

**DingoZ** · 13th February 2008, 23:39

Originally Posted by offrd

Employment Dispute Services - Employment Law SpecialistsYou simply have to call 0800 SACKED - that’s 0800 722 533 - and your call will be automatically diverted to your nearest advocate. ...

www.employmentdisputes.co.nz/people.html

Good people. Had occassion to use their services a few years back. With an employer severing my employment while on injury leave (spend 6 weeks in hospital), got out and returned to work, got told you no longer have a job.

Everything was handled through these guys. Got a great result too. Unfair dismissal, compensated and they (the company), got hauled big time in employment court.

So give em a bell.

**skidMark** · 14th February 2008, 04:46

Originally Posted by YellowDog

"Things aren't working out and I'd like you to resign. We can do this the easy way, or the hard way via HR. Which would you prefer? I'd prefer it if you left now!"

Yes i'm sure he would prefer that, because he knows he doesn't have a leg to stand on, if you have had no warnings etc.

Be interesting too see where this goes.

Perhaps new boss has a different vision for the company and figured you would go if if it came from the guy who said it? I do not know full details so i shall not assume anything.

But best of luck with it and fight it to the end, jobs are getting hard to come by as ive discovered.

FIGHT IT!

Skid.

**skidMark** · 14th February 2008, 04:56

Oh also i can vouch for what others have said...record/ note down everything.

My sister went through similar once.

Every comment said afterds she would go away and write it down, they never knew. but if there was a witness there she would get them to sign next to it to confirm it's truth...

showed up at the meeting with a big notebook. with everything said in it.

got real interesting that did lol.

bit like the old cadbury ad for cream eggs

don't get caught with egg on ya face!