More babies

[Hitcher]

Dude, I don't know if you've noticed but your signature has a sentence starting in a preposition. Bad bad bad...

That was so last week. It was time for a change anyway...

[riffer]

Much better quote. A band I remember fondly from my early teens.

[Jantar]

As for the cause being longer life. Well i would rather live longer and have less shorties.

I don't understand what you are saying here. You want to live longer? OK, so does the rest of the world's population. In that case you need to accept that the population remaining will increase; and the population will age more, as we are seeing.

In order to stop overpopulation we would need to wipe out millions (maybe billions) of older people. Are you suggesting genocide?

[Dargor]

I have four children. Does that make me a bad person?

No that doesn't make you a bad person, it makes you one who wasn't thinking about overpopulation at your time of breading.

What about if I also say those four kids are shared between four adults? Hardly keeping the population up are we?

If everyone did that, there would be no problem.

I don't understand what you are saying here. You want to live longer? OK, so does the rest of the world's population. In that case you need to accept that the population remaining will increase; and the population will age more, as we are seeing.

All I'm saying is its an issue that needs to be addressed, awareness is the first step and its probably the largest.
But the answer for this situation would be that the birth rate needs to drop as the life expectancy increases.

And no I'm not calling for mass genocide, but if you were volunteering maybe we could start with you. Mass genocide is a last resort that should never need to be used.

[riffer]

Mass genocide is a last resort that should never need to be used.

Tell that to the Congolese

or maybe the Kenyans

Or the Darfuris.


oh hell, what about civilised countries? Like say South Africa?

And that's just SOME of Africa. Not even counting the rest of the world. Death toll in Iraq since George W went in is the equivalent of a 9/11 EVERY DAY FOR TEN YEARS.

Last resort, my arse.

* Armenia: Over 1,000,000 deaths (1915-1917)
* The Holocaust: 6,000,000 deaths of Jews; 5,000,000 deaths of Poles, Roma, Communists, and other “undesirables” (1938-1945)
* Cambodia: 2,000,000 deaths (1975-1978)
* Bosnia: 200,000 deaths (1992-1995)
* Rwanda: 800,000 deaths (April 6 – mid-July of 1994)
* Darfur: Hundreds and thousands of deaths (2003 – Today)

Wake up and smell the decaf.

[faredce]

its all dandy saying personal choice and u cant deny some ppl the chance of kids while others are popping out 1 a year but we do need to restrain ourselves a little. the world cant handle this many ppl and the weight will slowly push the planet down until we no longer spin in the normal orbit....its science haha j/k

mayb a bomb shuld b "accidentaly" dropped in a high population country say europe russia china america australia africa....not many just a few lol

[Hitcher]

*World overpopulated, says father of four. Urges restraint.*

A highly credible plea.

[Clockwork]

its all dandy saying personal choice and u cant deny some ppl the chance of kids while others are popping out 1 a year but we do need to restrain ourselves a little. the world cant handle this many ppl and the weight will slowly push the planet down until we no longer spin in the normal orbit....its science haha j/k

mayb a bomb shuld b "accidentaly" dropped in a high population country say europe russia china america australia africa....not many just a few lol

You're suggesting that as the world's population increases so does the overall mass of the earth!!

Where do you suppose all this extra mass come from?

[Blue Velvet]

overpopulation.org.

That website sucks.

[Hitcher]

You're suggesting that as the world's population increases so does the overall mass of the earth!?

There are KB members who seem to believe, in all honesty, that the top half of the wheels on their bike travel faster than the bottom half.

There are others who refute the phenomenum that is countersteering.

Anything is possible...

[007XX]

I personally fully support Dargor in his choice not to reproduce

[faredce]

You're suggesting that as the world's population increases so does the overall mass of the earth!!

Where do you suppose all this extra mass come from?

are u suggesting that it doesnt!!
how can u not believe that.if a child is born and weighs something it increases the weight of the earth. now im talking numbers so smaller that they are dismissable but it is the same theory of wen u swim in the ocean and get wet wen u leave the water with water on ur body the level of the sea TECHNECALLY get lower and again the scale of the ocean is far to large for such an insugnificant occurance but ur taking water out therefore the level drops.
u add a baby to the world the weight increases.

[Pwalo]

Boys and girls, calm down. The 'population bomb' hysteria has already been done in the late 60's/late 70's. We were all supposed to have starved to death by 1975 (sic). You guys are so last century.

[Macktheknife]

I personally fully support Dargor in his choice not to reproduce

Hell Yeah!




This seems to me a misinformed, misled point of view.
Your argument is based on misleading statistics with several significant flaws. You have generalised an argument based on regional specifics and applied it to our local situation which is dramatically different.
In NZ we actually need a higher birth rate than we currently have. We have had a declining birth rate for over 10 years, and coupled with a rapidly ageing population we are heading for a serious problem in the next 20-30 years.
Without increased birth rates, and higher immigration rates, NZ is going to find it incredibly difficult to maintain or achieve economic stability, sufficient medical support services and aged care services. Not to mention the loss of the pension scheme, large amounts of the social security system, and a shrinking talent pool of higher skilled individuals for specialist care.
We do not need less breeders, we need more of them and rather quickly. It is probably too much to hope for that we could only have the smart ones breeding but, I suppose we can use more labourers.

[Clockwork]

A child grows because it eats and everything it consumes is of this earth either dirrectly or indirectly. Therefore, net mass gain of planet. Zip!

I'm not saying that the earth isn't getting heavier, I guess there are meteors falling somewhere most of the time but other than that the only other thing arriving is energy ie sunlight, radio waves etc. And that has no mass.