1st Bin: Binned my new bike

[Stromble]

tsmj, have a look at this...

- its not gory. just bad.

What the F.....??!? those guys are mental.. but what an amazing dodge of the car... how lucky was he..??

[Gaz]

What the F.....??!? those guys are mental.. but what an amazing dodge of the car... how lucky was he..??

Lucky they both made it that far... I don't think any of their corners were even average. These sort of clowns are why bikers get a bad name.

[Stromble]

One thing I have noticed in the last week, is how many riders Ive seen out in just shorts and t-shirts.. not even a pair of gloves.. now makes me cringe even more..

...but then they are probably better at cornering than me... (but still, no one can dodge that unexpected diesel spill..)

[Gaz]

One thing I have noticed in the last week, is how many riders Ive seen out in just shorts and t-shirts.. not even a pair of gloves.. now makes me cringe even more..

...but then they are probably better at cornering than me... (but still, no one can dodge that unexpected diesel spill..)

They are dicks. They think they can ride better than the rest of us. - we''ll still feel sorry for them when they loose all their skin.

Gravity is a law and skin is softer than asphalt. I've found a neat trick to stay cool on those hot days... I wear a rash -shirt (actually a climatec garment, but that sounds gay) under my gear. seriously, no sweat.

[aff-man]

Shouldn't make the difference between binning and not binning in this scenario

well yes and no.. I was refering to frosty's post about differences in tyres.

As for the yes if you read my post I said was user error but a better tyres would have given more confidence to lean it in more when they were running wide If running to wide a little trick is to tap the back break. It basically drops the bike further into the corner hence tightening your riding line. (for people reading DON'T stamp on the brake you will crash) I have done it once or twice but you need the conficence in yourself and tyres to do it. Personally seeing a newer rider go dirt riding in the ditch after not making a turn it sounds like it was as most suggested target fixation. Experienced riders still get it but they shut it off and react to the sitaution faster and hence probably come out of it ok. And these fast shifts in a sticky situation are helped by the tyres..... So after a long windedness thingy ma-jig in THIS situation better tyres could have with a bit of experience heled him get out of it. And different tyres DO have an effect on how your bike corners adn it's cornering capabilities....

Hope you're back on the road quick..

[howdamnhard]

Glad to hear your OK.Always take it easy and take the time to feel out a new bike/car etc,before pushing the limits.You've obviously learnt the wearing all your gear lesson to.Hope you and the bike are all good.Now get back to riding.

[DogBreath]

Yep, big right hander. I think Viffer hit the nail on the head.. I did become target fixated..

Yeah, been there dun that, dammit, got the possum thing going. I think we just talk ourselves out of the turn sometimes. I got grass stains only, u ripped some skin, some die. life goes on eh?
What do they say, 3 bins to learn? Heres to 2 and 3.
Lucky boy

[DogBreath]

tsmj, have a look at this...

- its not gory. just bad.

Bad, and not in any good way. How did he miss?? Noticed they had bugger all lean going on at all, that upright body line reminds me of the old motorcycle cops, maybe they were...
Or is that just how buells behave?
Gotta respect the thumbs up tho. Got his cool back quick.

[offrd]

Years ago crashed my CBX that i had for 6 days. Very easy corner... Gust of wind, Freaked out a bit, Looked at my landing spot, Got the bike airborne off the side of the road, Barrell rolled down the side of the road breaking my arm. The bike went up thru the scrub and acted as a scrubcrusher...

Very much a learner back in those days.... Had never heard of target fixation, no such thing as the internet to discuss this kind of thing way back then.

I gave up road riding for many many years after this accident and took up dirt. I find now that i have been riding for years... Dirt hurts more as it has a bigger magnet that attracts me into it!

to all that have added to this post and all the other posts along the same subject over my short time on KB.

TSMJ, glad to hear you and the bike are in not to bad shape!

[Jimmy B]

Running wide can get us all irrespective of experience, it’s what you do when it becomes apparent that is often the difference. My pet hate is unexpected decreasing radius corners and there are a few really tight unmarked ones out there.

When I am “running out of lean” in these corners stopping is not usually the best option and nor is stepping on the brakes to try and tip the bike in. Personally if the X gets sideways I don’t want to be there. What works for me is push or counter steering; this will unlock instant lean with very little effort but, like anything to do with bikes, requires practice to get right.

[90s]

Not two minutes ago I posted this in another thread!



Same applies to the back. There was a really big thread on this about 8 days ago woth lots of technical background. See if you can find it. It basically comes down to this ...

The tyre and the rim size are matched. If you put a wider tyre on the existing rim then it has to wrap around in a smaller circle to fit the narrow rim. This can make your tip-in feel really weird (either too fast or too slow) and if you really get it wrong you end up with less tyre contact patch rather than more.

Then there's the relation of the rear tyre's width to the front. Mis-matched and they don't have the same roll into the corner which means you could end up with bad understeer or oversteer, I can't remember which. The geometry of a bike is hugely complex with castor, trail, dip and all sorts of other parameters all designed by those big computers to work together - I wouldn't change a thing.

Sorry about your bin tsmj, I hope it wasn't the tyres but I do hear so many times (esp young guys) wanting to change up to big fat tyres. All I can say is that if a fat tyre is the best for that bike, Kawasaki would have made it like that. Shitty that someone else's big penis envy has cost you a bin

I had a dirt bike that had been used in a beach racing series once, and a huge rear oversize tyre was fitted. It certainly affected handling, esp. turn in.

But so what? You learn to ride the bike you have got, and if you bin "because" of this then are riding badly.
If your tyres lack grip in the wet - back off.
If your tyres give strange turn-in, don't run too hot until you've figured it out.
If someone has modified a bike you have bought in any of numerous ways relating to ride and handling, ride cautiously until you figure it out.

If you don't know that answers to how the bike will handle, don't try to find out by riding above your level.

But as the thread has already explored, this bin caused by pure rider error and inexperience. If you think as in the original post "the bike won't lean more" then you are always, but always, wrong. 9 times from 10 the bike can make almost any corner that *you* think it can't. Fear and panic - what's the solution? Training.

[Insanity_rules]

I think you'd have to be going pretty hard to notice tire limitations. In my experience you'd know if the tires let go. Bad luck on the crash, I'm nursing gravel rash myself. Hurts don't it?

[Stromble]

I had a dirt bike that had been used in a beach racing series once, and a huge rear oversize tyre was fitted. It certainly affected handling, esp. turn in.

But so what? You learn to ride the bike you have got, and if you bin "because" of this then are riding badly.
If your tyres lack grip in the wet - back off.
If your tyres give strange turn-in, don't run too hot until you've figured it out.
If someone has modified a bike you have bought in any of numerous ways relating to ride and handling, ride cautiously until you figure it out.

If you don't know that answers to how the bike will handle, don't try to find out by riding above your level.

But as the thread has already explored, this bin caused by pure rider error and inexperience. If you think as in the original post "the bike won't lean more" then you are always, but always, wrong. 9 times from 10 the bike can make almost any corner that *you* think it can't. Fear and panic - what's the solution? Training.

Good info, but wasnt riding above my level, unfortunately just one of those days.. but absolutely, practise makes better..

Though I do know where my kill switch is...

[90s]

Though I do know where my kill switch is...

Surely you don't remember my embarrassing kill switch incident a year ago?

No? that's good. What incident, no I don't know what you are talking about ...

[Stromble]

Surely you don't remember my embarrassing kill switch incident a year ago?

No? that's good. What incident, no I don't know what you are talking about ...

Absolutely... memorable.. though I must admit myself once, got to work in the car and sat for 30 mins trying the prise the key from the lock, it just wouldnt come out... arghhh, then finally realised it was still in drive, clicked it to park, and like magic the key released.!