100% responsibility

[Usarka]

I got hit by a car (I went through a green light and she went through a red) and learned my lesson over a year ago.

what, get out of the north island?

[Mikkel]

Ultimately *I* choose to get on that bike. I do so knowing the inherent risks and strive to anticipate and counter each and every risk that I encounter on my way.

No amount of premonition and planning is ever going to save your arse if your number is up!

When you leave home, anticipate your journey and select the appropriate lane as early as possible. Despite the fact you my percieve that other lanes are moving faster ("at the time) you will save time by remaining in your exit lane. While doing so, observe the fuckwits that are forced to change lanes at the last minute and bring the motorway to a crawl. IS THIS YOU.

While I agree with your post and was about to bling you for it and compliment you on great choice of motorcycle. I have to say that what I highlighted is absolutely bollocks!

Unless you are passing anyone STAY LEFT! If you're in a slow moving vehicle STAY LEFT! If there's ANY space WHATSOEVER - STAY LEFT! Do NOT change lane to turn right earlier than one block before your turn off. If traffic is light it is easy. If traffic is heavy there will be plenty of time anyway...

I am sorry but Kiwis need to understand how a dual carriage way works! It's not about creating a rolling roadblock or selecting the "appropriate" lane 5 km in advance. Dual carriageways are usually put in place in a - albeit unrealistic - hope to help resolve large volumes of traffic.

He's not reaping abuse for that principle at all. He's reaping abuse for the way he talks down his nose to some bikers who already take responsibility for their actions, the way they ride and their choice of underpowered bikes.

Patronising is the word I seek methinks.

I think I can agree with that

[CookMySock]

No amount of premonition and planning is ever going to save your arse if your number is up!

eh ? "your number is up" is a cliche - and certainly not a concise description of anything meaningful whatsoever - how is it possible that planning will not assist with staying alive, but a cliche will kill you ?

I have to say that what I highlighted is absolutely bollocks!

cough, re-read.. the guy drove taxis for twenty-something years and never marked one.. I think that counts for a lot.. if anything some respect, if not that, then politeness is in order.

DB

[James Deuce]

Most people don't try to accept responsibility for the outcome of an event and when the chips are really down, 99% of the vocal supporters of the concept of total responsibility will do anything rather than accept that they were less than perfect and screwed up. It's always someone else's fault, and "they" should do something to stop the someone else who was at fault from ever doing it again.

Total waste of time to expect any motorcyclists to really believe that they are/were to blame for any event even partially. People keep offering up the example of the red light runner "taking you out". Why did it happen. There can be many reasons, from skipping breakfast and having low blood sugar and therefore a sluggish brain, to a relationship break up affecting your judgment because you're obsessing about what a loser you are.

Most motorcyclists ride bikes because they are in essence risk takers and they want their fix irrespective of whether or not they are in the zone and ready to cope. I've had a rough couple of weeks commuting. It's been nerve racking. Because I'm really tired from working those 12-18 hour days and I've been actively having to participate in commuter traffic instead of flowing through it like it isn't there. My reaction times are probably less than half a second slower than normal, but if I get taken out during my morning commute rest assured it's my fault. 100%. I know I'm rooted, but I'm still riding.

I need my fix.

[Kickaha]

Unless you are passing anyone STAY LEFT! If you're in a slow moving vehicle STAY LEFT! If there's ANY space WHATSOEVER - STAY LEFT! Do NOT change lane to turn right earlier than one block before your turn off. If traffic is light it is easy. If traffic is heavy there will be plenty of time anyway...

There is no requirement under NZ road rules to keep left,unless it is a passing lane BUT THERE FUCKING SHOULD BE

[yungatart]

There is no requirement under NZ road rules to keep left,unless it is a passing lane BUT THERE FUCKING SHOULD BE

What rule book are you reading from? Mine quite clearly states...Keep Left!

[mstriumph]

...... What would happen if we all rode with the ATTITUDE that we are 100% responsible for what happens to us on our bikes?.............

I ride that way
I live that way

[mstriumph]

................. 99% of the vocal supporters of the concept of total responsibility will do anything rather than accept that they were less than perfect and screwed up. ..............

then that makes me a one percenter!!!





sheesh - does that mean i'm gonna hafta get tatts and shave my head?

[Mikkel]

eh ? "your number is up" is a cliche - and certainly not a concise description of anything meaningful whatsoever - how is it possible that planning will not assist with staying alive, but a cliche will kill you ?

cough, re-read.. the guy drove taxis for twenty-something years and never marked one.. I think that counts for a lot.. if anything some respect, if not that, then politeness is in order.

DB

Mate, I need your badge number...

Anyway, take the time and re-read what I posted and then come back and tell me exactly WHICH part you disagree with!
The only thing I called bullocks on was his way of handling lane selection, and I take it that Elcoyote has been driving taxis in NZ - otherwise his opinion would have been DIFFERENT - trust me on that. Besides, calling bullocks would never constitute a breach of politeness IMHO.

And trust me on the "when your number is up" - you can do a lot to minimise the probability of your number coming up, but you just can not eliminate it. Whatever happens, happens! - that is my philosophy and believe me, you can not possibly fault it...

I don't know if I need to elaborate - but you do at times come across as being, with all due respect, rather dense (sorry, that is the wine talking again). Planning is not going to do you any good when facing the unexpected!

There is no requirement under NZ road rules to keep left,unless it is a passing lane BUT THERE FUCKING SHOULD BE

Yes, it is fucking frustrating!

[Mikkel]

then that makes me a one percenter!!!





sheesh - does that mean i'm gonna hafta get tatts and shave my head?

Good on ya!

According to statistics there should be about 110 of us on this site then

[onearmedbandit]

People keep offering up the example of the red light runner "taking you out". Why did it happen. There can be many reasons, from skipping breakfast and having low blood sugar and therefore a sluggish brain, to a relationship break up affecting your judgment because you're obsessing about what a loser you are.

I must be one of the 1%'ers as well, as from my few off's I've owned responsibility on each and every one. Period. However Jim2 not matter how much you would like to think that we are in control of everything, we unfortunately are not. I'm going to pick up on the red light thing, as you mentioned it. Lets say, in this example at least, that the cage driver was being pursued by the Police and was traveling at 140km /h when he entered the intersection, leaving you a fraction of a second to see him, no time to react. I doubt even the most alert, aware, most on to it rider could accept responsibility for that one, except maybe to say 'I wish I had never got on the bike this morning'.

I applaud what you are saying, I follow it myself as best I can. I don't know whether your aim is to try and convince people that they are in control at all times so that they believe it, or whether you actually believe yourself. But myself, I'm a realist and I know that not everything is in our hands (or hand).

[Deano]

Yawn yawn yawn. Repost.

I ride within my limits 99.9% of the time. I accept a bit of risk in life.

Hope I haven't jinxed myself. It's been a while between offs.

[Mikkel]

I applaud what you are saying, I follow it myself as best I can. I don't know whether your aim is to try and convince people that they are in control at all times so that they believe it, or whether you actually believe yourself. But myself, I'm a realist and I know that not everything is in our hands (or hand).

I dare guess that Jim is a realist!

Anyone who lives an active life beyond the age of 25 will encounter reality at least a couple of times - and a sobering experience it is.

However, life needs to be lived and we need to at least contemplate the risks and consequences our choices may have.

[James Deuce]

What rule book are you reading from? Mine quite clearly states...Keep Left!

There's no punishment for not keeping left. Each lane on a dual carriageway or motorway in NZ is a highway in its own right, so there is no incentive to move into the left lane after completing a passing move.

[Mikkel]

There's no punishment for not keeping left. Each lane on a dual carriageway or motorway in NZ is a highway in its own right, so there is no incentive to move into the left lane after completing a passing move.

Except displaying consideration and common sense - virtues that are sadly lacking in this day and age!