Motorcyclist dead in Eskdale Rd Glenfield (21 March)

[ManDownUnder]

I was at a family bbq.

Bingo - my point exactly. Wonder if you can get your head around that...

Lets look at the facts.
Hes from beach haven.
He tried to run from the cops. (only people who have broken the law run)
His friends are "high class citizens" (shit sticks together)
He had in his possesion a stolen bike.
Put them all together and whats the logical conclusion you get? He stole it, plain and simple.

This is getting dizzying. One thing at a time...

You are probably right... but logically there remains a possibility you are not... agreed?

[The Pastor]

Bingo - my point exactly. Wonder if you can get your head around that...




This is getting dizzying. One thing at a time...

You are probably right... but logically there remains a possibility you are not... agreed?

I'd say there is a small chance he didnt steal it yes. But if he didnt steal it he still

Lived in beach haven (we should clean up the nroth shore by exterminating the haven)

Ran from the cops (ok lots of us have done that, but none of us expect symathy for it)

had in his possesion a stolen bike. I don't care if he stole it or not, he should return it if he didnt steal it. Its just as bad.

He also wrote of somone elses bike, thats just not cool.

Anyway you cut it he still is scum.

[The Pastor]

and the gene pool is now that 0.000001% cleaner.

[ManDownUnder]

I'd say there is a small chance he didnt steal it yes.

*snip*

Anyway you cut it he still is scum.

Ok - so if we agree there is a small chance he didn't steal it - why is everyone jumping on the bandwagon to say he is this that and the other??? Why are people unable or unwilling to admit we're not totally sure?

Or to put it another way, you can't prove his guilt, therefore I can't prove his innocence. He's somewhere in the middle there... and only comprehensive sets of facts will conclude this one way or the other.

As for him being scum. Again - you have proof (I mean actualy proof... not "he ran from the cops"... we don't actually know that happened. Then again - if we ACTUALLY do... please provide evidence.)

[Tank]

As for him being scum. Again - you have proof (I mean actualy proof... not "he ran from the cops"... we don't actually know that happened. Then again - if we ACTUALLY do... please provide evidence.)

From reading the thread its pretty clear that someone thought that was what was happening - yet ssome choose to use this as 'fact' to support a fundamentally stupid argument.

MDU - Id give up trying to make RM see logic or sense - its obvious that neither are his strong point.

Beach Haven may not be the best part of the Shore - but he MAY have been a struggling father trying to do the best by his family.

He MAY have been many, many things. Yet based on 1/2 information, and wild guesses people have commend this guy and are dancing on his grave.

Frankly people like this make me sick. Yet they are the first to bleat when something happens to them.

[Tank]

OH - and the ones who keep saying "Id bash / kill / whatever" are generally the biggest pussies who wouldn't have the guts to actually stand up to anyone like that.

[swbarnett]

He MAY have been many, many things. Yet based on 1/2 information, and wild guesses people have commend this guy and are dancing on his grave.

Not unlike the stereotypical scenario of the town mob herding the nearest outsider to the hanging tree.

[Patrick]

And now I get red on this one too... With this little pearler... "....." Doesn't quite explain the situation well as asked, but I guess he is trying....

C'mon Chrislost...

HTFU and enlighten as Steam has politely asked... Let us know what the story is.... Send red again if ya must....

Hahahahaha 4 reds from Chrislost now for this one too... never used the ignore function before, but hey....still won't... fishing is good with this one...

Chrislost..."........." (deleted by Mods... not allowed to post PMs and feedback on here... my bad...)

No, fuck off means nothing to me, whatsoever. Even more so when its from the net.

Funny thing is his mate Ragingrob had no probs, I just pointed out what might have caused the red that Rob got, and Chrislost gets all prissy, going on about Harleys and unemployed folk, something I never even mentioned, ever....

FWIW Chrislost, you have never explained anything to me in your PM.

Stay in school and learn to spell, student boy... at 21 what does that make you, a 5th year 5th former???

[WelshWizard]

prove that he didnt steal the bike.

The law is supposed to give you the benefit of doubt hence innocent till proven guilty, therefore the burden of proof is on the accusers, As yet only circumstantial evidence, no hard proof , even the Cops have backed away from saying he was the one who stole the bike.

we don't live in medieval time when innocence was proved by dyeing in a ducking pond

[spudchucka]

but logically there remains a possibility you are not... agreed?

The balance of probabilities speaks volumes in this case although, as you say, there still remains a possibility to the contrary.

[The Pastor]

From reading the thread its pretty clear that someone thought that was what was happening - yet ssome choose to use this as 'fact' to support a fundamentally stupid argument.

MDU - Id give up trying to make RM see logic or sense - its obvious that neither are his strong point.

Beach Haven may not be the best part of the Shore - but he MAY have been a struggling father trying to do the best by his family.

He MAY have been many, many things. Yet based on 1/2 information, and wild guesses people have commend this guy and are dancing on his grave.

Frankly people like this make me sick. Yet they are the first to bleat when something happens to them.

Proof he was scum? He had a stolen bike.

[The Pastor]

The law is supposed to give you the benefit of doubt hence innocent till proven guilty, therefore the burden of proof is on the accusers, As yet only circumstantial evidence, no hard proof , even the Cops have backed away from saying he was the one who stole the bike.

we don't live in medieval time when innocence was proved by dyeing in a ducking pond

I don't care im not a cop/lawyer/jude. Its my opoion that he stole it/knew it was stolen.. I'd wager money on it too.

[WelshWizard]

I don't care im not a cop/lawyer/jude. Its my opoion that he stole it/knew it was stolen.. I'd wager money on it too.

Only trouble with that we all know you are a windup merchant, so we can't be sure if thats your true belief or not , no matter what you now say.

[The Pastor]

Only trouble with that we all know you are a windup merchant, so we can't be sure if thats your true belief or not , no matter what you now say.

Birds of a feather flock together.

[ManDownUnder]

The balance of probabilities speaks volumes in this case although, as you say, there still remains a possibility to the contrary.

Thank you and agreed 100%.

I have no problem with the inferences and balance of probabilities as presented.

What's gotten right up my nose in this instance is the typical KB pack baying for blood, dancing on the grave of a dead man and attacking those of us simply asking to know the other side of the story.

It's like the famous incident where someone in the States said that maybe someone should stop and understand why someone flew the planes into the twin towers. - what motivated them. The pack turned on them saying they were anti American, should be shot, inprisoned etc etc etc... when all they did was seek understanding so everything else could be put in context.

Maybe I'm the odd one out in this, maybe I'm strange in actually wanting to understand something from both sides before arriving at a judgement. But from where I stand the insults, the withdrawal of help, slagging friends and family of the guy that died is pretty damned purile.

Ever consider they might actually be suffering, and be victims of what happened?

I've always taken the treatment of the weak (those unable to defend themselves) as a good measure of a society. This thread speaks volumes about KB (enclaves of both good and bad.)