China free trade deal. Your thoughts?

[SixPackBack]

What I can see is a depletion of our already depleted fish stocks, and an influx of non-english speaking, low-cost workers, among other things...

Also, the wine industry stands to gain a lot...

Who is really being looked after here?

Is this what we want for New Zealand?

Unfettered access to one of the worlds largest markets is what business envisages As for the low cost workers-the slated numbers are of no concern. And yes this is what we want for N.Z.

What would Sir Ed have said about it ? (Or did say about it ?)

Who gives a fuck what Ed would have said!...he was not a politician or businessman.


Both major parties and the general business community are behind this deal, that speaks volumes in terms of the long term positive benefits.

I suspect within a page of this thread several members will be slagging Asians, such is the low general mentality on this site.

[gijoe1313]

Bradder asians! Ruck off home! Burn them! But first sauteed in soya sauce and wrap in wonton pastry!

[Hoon]

And yes this is what we want for N.Z.

I have to agree. This is a golden opportunity for NZ. We need China's trade more than they need ours.

Greed is the main reason low quality Chinese products flood NZ.

Floods of unskilled Chinese labour in NZ will not happen as part of the FTA deal is that they must be paid in NZ wages, not bowls of rice.

[jrandom]

I've worked on electronics production and watched OEM-style sales activities in China, and I can confidently assert that the FTA will be a great boon for NZ companies generating high-value intellectual property and looking for markets to licence it into.

In my humble opinion, history will judge this as a positive achievement for the Clark administration.

[tri boy]

Personally I think this may turn out to be a great move for NZ in the future.
It will depend on how both sides approach it, but if handled sensibly, China and New Zealand could gain much.
(waits for "Human Rights", "pollution", commentators).

[Steam]

The mods should merge this thread here with yours. Yours should be on top, becuase it has a much better title.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=71151

[tri boy]

My apologies for a similar thread.
(but yeah, that other title slipped past me. Bit vague).

[YellowDog]

A Very Good deal for the NZ Economy.

However NZ's right to make comments over wrong doing by China over Tibet or anywhere else has just been officially removed.

An outstandingly bad deal for New Zealand.

[The Pastor]

This is a good deal for nz, it is much better for nz than it is for china.

Sure there will be job losses in the manufacting industrys (what ever ones we have left) but they shouldnt be there.

Nz is a primary producer, its what we can do cheaply compared to the rest of the world.

The trade deal will not start the end of manufactuers only speed things up a bit. Most NZ manufactuers will move there factorys over to china.

IMHO it is a good thing.

[Quasievil]

Its a very good thing for NZ, we have access to the fastest growing economy in the world, we have a competitive advantage over our other international competitors in that we have a progressively reducing tarrif enviroment to bennefit our NZ manufacturers.

Further to that, China producers top quality products in most cases the days of everything coming out of china being crap are truly gone, my only concern would be food products coming into NZ, that needs attention.

Go Go china and NZ, lets get some bling and catch up to the rest of the world.
To the nay sayers, I say wake up, we are in a global economy and we need to partner up as much as possible with the economic super powers if we are to prosper in the future, thats the fact of it.

[Grahameeboy]

A Very Good deal for the NZ Economy.

However NZ's right to make comments over wrong doing by China over Tibet or anywhere else has just been officially removed.

An outstandingly bad deal for New Zealand.

So lets not trade with America for all their wrong doings, invading Countries at will, threatening to invade other countries who don't toe the line or even Australia for the way they have treated the Aborigines...

I mean America refused Trade Agreements just because we refused to let 1 nucleur warship spend a few days here...

Looks like China is trying to improve things and I don't consider trading with them means NZ is supporting what China does and if they didn't trade with China for reasons of wrong do you think it will affect China...nop...I say better to trade with them to support New Zealand...at the end of the day the trade is with Chinese business who will employe more people etc and also help make their lives a wee bit better...

New Zealand is considered a neutral nation and respected by most of the world so New Zealand, by trading with China may be a positive...

[tri boy]

A Very Good deal for the NZ Economy.

However NZ's right to make comments over wrong doing by China over Tibet or anywhere else has just been officially removed.

An outstandingly bad deal for New Zealand.

Maybe, just maybe, we will be in a better position to influence a better out come for Tibet by being in the free trade agreement, than shouting from the sidelines.
Just a thought. Most of us listen to our close colleagues more than random folk on the street. NZ could be the country that goes down in history as the freedom makers.

[avgas]

Be warned everyone this may be a shock to you all, but china doesn't give a fuck about us.
I laugh about the whole FLOOD concept, make it sound like that crap movie where the water washed up over NYC.
Where are the couple of billion Chinese people gonna stay here.
Not even 1% of china know about this deal, or will use it.

[Steam]

This really amazed me, it's in the fine print of the agreement:

1. A Chinese company invests in NZ.
2. Then NZ passes some new laws limiting monopolys, or environmental laws, or any law that may have an effect on profitability.
3. Then we have to pay the Chinese investor 100% of their lost potential profits!

[Oakie]

This really amazed me, it's in the fine print of the agreement:

1. A Chinese company invests in NZ.
2. Then NZ passes some new laws limiting monopolys, or environmental laws, or any law that may have an effect on profitability.
3. Then we have to pay the Chinese investor 100% of their lost potential profits!

Think about that in terms of buying a bike from a dealer:
The dealer says "here, come invest your money in this bike. This is how it will perform for you. If it doesn't, I give you this warrantee which means that I will make things right for you at my cost if it does not perform in the manner I have described". It's not much different to that.
I have actually seen one business agreement myself in NZ that operates that way in which one party agreed to operate hydro canal within certain boundaries so a second party could run a business using the canal. If those boundaries were breached the first party would pay the second party for any lost business.