ProTwin rule clarifications

**GSVR** · 8th April 2008, 11:49

Got my reply. Good to know my bike will be Homologated soon. As for the other matters I hope they get sorted quickly.

Morning Garry
Now that we are in-between seasons and that there have been a number of issue that have been raised with me I will be having a look at the rules so for the mean time I would suggest that you hang fire.
Sub frames and tyres were a couple of issues that have been raised.
As for Homologation I will ask Suzuki to forward to me the necessary paper work .
Good to see that you are supportive of the class and I like you hope to see it grow.
Cheers
Paul

**johnsv650** · 9th April 2008, 20:50

hi,
maybe thats a bit of a longer story,
i wonder if they rules can only be changed by remit, 30 days before agm and if passed they would be in new rules for following year, so as far as i know no remits are in for protwins, so no possible rule changes remits till 2009 agm and then rules could come in for 2010 season......
his answer sounded like wait a month but i wonder if its more likely to be a year or two.........
correct me if im wrong againnnnnnnnnn please

**steveyb** · 10th April 2008, 22:25

That was in the old days.
The new MNZ constitution provides for the commisioners of any of the given disciplines to modify rules (I suggest after consultation) on the fly as it were, and notify the appropriate membership.
This was done to allow the commissions to be more reactive and indeed proactive to created rules that, while maybe good ideas at the time, appeared to be ineffective, unsafe, or just wrong.
Now that Pro-Twin, or should one say SV-ER cup, has run one season, we (or youse fullas) can sit back and digest which of the rules are good and which need massaging.
For all of those guys who have just been moaning about things (and there have been a few), take a breath, "Good things take time ay?"

Bring out the RAPTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**oyster** · 11th April 2008, 08:30

Sorry Stevey, but the MNZ site has a clear flow chart on rule changes, last revision Jan '08. The only changes that can occur "on the fly" are items or detail relating to safety.
General stuff can only be "clarified".
John is right, The fastest you could get a rule change now would be in time for the 2010 championship.

I have an e-mail from Sandra Perry (president) confirming this also a while back.

What clause in the new consitution gives the commissioners authority to change rules?

Thanks

**oyster** · 11th April 2008, 08:44

I shouldn't tackle you like that Stevey. You do so much good work for the sport so I should respect you more. Sorry.
But I'm a fan of Pro Twin. I think the rules are fine. I also appreciate the hard work Paul Stewart put into getting these rules done. And I well remember the frustration that for around 12 months he couldn't get any feedback from the community he was working for. If there are people unhappy now, they had their chance.....

**steveyb** · 12th April 2008, 21:50

No, no, fair call. However, as an MNZ member I had not been made aware of this change to procedure.
Communication breakdown?
I don't have my rulebook with me, but I was definitely under the impression that when we changed from 'Conference' to AGM, because AGMs are business meetings not operational meetings, the Commissioners were provided with the authority to make rule changes in response to reasonable requests from interested members.
I thought that that situation was actually a good way to go.
Of course allowing changes on safety grounds is appropriate.
What though does 'clarified' end up meaning? It is possible of course in the course of making a clarification, to actually change the rule completely if one set about to do that.

Big ups to the Pro-Twins. It works quite well in the UK and USA, so no reason for it not to here.

But like I said, BRING OUT THE RAPTOR!!!!!!!

Enjoy

Steve :-)

**johnsv650** · 13th April 2008, 09:01

the cagiva raptor is th ebike with the most adantages,
sv motor with better cams and higher compression,
upside down forks and other small details........
but it not homologated............can race ?

**Drew** · 13th April 2008, 09:17

Originally Posted by johnsv650

the cagiva raptor is th ebike with the most adantages,
sv motor with better cams and higher compression,
upside down forks and other small details........
but it not homologated............can race ?

How is it not homologated? I thought it was mass produced with numbers well exceeding the requirements.

it would desimate all on the track, teh forks are superior because they are cartridge style, so can be wanked with all the fruit of Ohlins labours, USD or RWU dont matter.

**Shaun** · 13th April 2008, 11:05

Originally Posted by Drew

How is it not homologated? I thought it was mass produced with numbers well exceeding the requirements.

I think! The manufacturer/Importer needs to submit paper work to MNZ, to have the unit certified for racing use?

**Drew** · 13th April 2008, 11:28

Originally Posted by Shaun

I think! The manufacturer/Importer needs to submit paper work to MNZ, to have the unit certified for racing use?

Hmmmm.

Wonder if it would be picked up when entry forms were submitted, or wait untill some disgruntled racer that lost to it lodged a complaint?

I aint thinkin of racing one, but anyone who is can get in touch with me, as this is exactly the sort of bike my sponsor could get REAL cheap.

**johnsv650** · 13th April 2008, 12:57

we might race one if we could get one cheap,
importer/agent has to show that there was 10 imported that year...

**Drew** · 13th April 2008, 16:44

Originally Posted by johnsv650

we might race one if we could get one cheap,
importer/agent has to show that there was 10 imported that year...

Ah, well that makes more sense. I thought it was just done on production numbers. Is it the year of production, or just ten imported the year your one comes in?

**johnsv650** · 13th April 2008, 18:40

sorry can't help on that one......

**svr** · 13th April 2008, 19:34

Originally Posted by johnsv650

the cagiva raptor is th ebike with the most adantages,
sv motor with better cams and higher compression,
upside down forks and other small details........
but it not homologated............can race ?

Only the latest bikes are homologated e.g. not my 6 yr old sv although didn't seem to matter at the one nat. round I did.
The Raptor would get dusted by an Aprilia 650 - which as far as I can tell meets the rules ??!!