FFS! This is just ridiculous! MUST READ - OPINIONS PLEASE

[steveb64]

Why does everyone lame "auntie Helen" for this piece of shit legislation. Green MP Sue bradford owns this one. When the Green party come canvasing for your vote this year, let them know what you think of both bradford and the bill.
(and it's not really stopping kids from being abused to death, is it?)

Which is why it will be a cold day in hell before I ever vote for the fucking Green party again. And my biggest regret is having EVER voted for the fuckers. And Labour - and for that matter National - won't be getting any sort of vote from me either. Bastards all voted for bitch Bradfords bill...

[steveb64]

I am so glad to be through the childrearing years, If this law was in place when my kids were growing up I would be behind bars I am sure. A friend with 2 young boys (8 & 6) who uses discipline like normal parents had an experience that floored me. His son came home from school and said, you are not alowed to smack me anymore, my teacher said if you do the Police will come and take you away.

Mike said, thats ok, I dont mind if they do. How would you feel though if Daddy was gone, no more kite flying, no more kayaking, Mummy will be sad and not want to play with you either and there will be no more money to spend.

The kids agreed that it would be terrible if Daddy was not around, so that ended that problem. He does not beat them either, from time to time they simply get a stern reminder of what is ok and what is not. FWIW these boys are busy, run around kids with perfect manners.

Hmmph - one of mine tried that one on me too - he started looking worried when I told him that if I was going down - then so was Mum - which would mean he (and little bro) would be off to a foster home - no motorbikes, no toys, no fun times with the family. Shut him up pretty fast really.

Kind of makes you wonder what the government thinks is best for the kids - no smacks - or no family, so the kids are locked up in some pathetic CYFS hovel, getting the shit kicked out of them by the retards living there - until they run away, and get topped by some thug in the street?

[Winston001]

Anyone know what ever happened to this prosecution....after all of the noise?

[RantyDave]

The police dropped it. The common sense the law entrusts them with was actually enacted. Go figure.

Dave

[DarkLord]

What a joke.

It is lack of discipline and this kind of shit that destroys people. We need to take a firmer stance but everyone is too scared they'll "hurt the little darlings feelings" and the like.

The best thing for some people is a heavy hand of discipline. The more that we try and outlaw discipline in our society the worse this kind of thing is going to get. Then, people will sit around and ask "why is our country going downhill so much?"

[inlinefour]

Too many fucktards that don't have kids, clearly don't have a farking clue deciding the rules when it comes to parenting. IF the Police charged a parent, and only if, that officer IMO should be sacked for wasting Police resources.

[Ms Piggy]

"For most children, New Zealand is a wonderful place to grow up in. Some are not so lucky. Childhood trauma, abuse, violence and neglect are a fact of life (and sometimes death) for too many of our young people.

Child abuse, violence and trauma affects thousands of children with over 63,000 referrals made to Child Youth and Family in 2006.

It is estimated that each year in New Zealand:

* Every month one child is killed through physical abuse
* 9,800 children are hospitalized with preventable injuries
* There is a $5.32 billion fiscal and economic cost to New Zealand on the long term effects of childhood abuse
* Approximately 15% of children are born at risk
* More than 80,000 children are witnesses of family violence
* One family member is killed through family violence every 12½ days"

Direct quote from: http://www.cps.org.nz/page/cps_5.php

[Skyryder]

Any legisaltion that brings the perpertraters of childhood abuse to justice I am in favour of.

What is the problem here??


Skyryder

[WarlockNZ]

Oh no, won't someone please think of the precious little snow flakes, If we discipline them how will they ever be able to grow up as normal well adjusted adults that can take a productive role in society?

Wait, what ????

Fuck that! .. I've lived on both sides of this coin, i was disciplined harshly (when warranted) with the jug cord no less, I'll tell you want, it taught me right from wrong and thats a fact.

Later on, I lived in a foster home or 5, they reason I had to keep moving, is that the foster families weren't allowed to hit me and I just ran rampant.

now, I don't have any kids, yet, but when and if I do they will be given a what for if they deserve it, there are times when the law is an ass.

[Skyryder]

What a joke.

It is lack of discipline and this kind of shit that destroys people. We need to take a firmer stance but everyone is too scared they'll "hurt the little darlings feelings" and the like.

The best thing for some people is a heavy hand of discipline. The more that we try and outlaw discipline in our society the worse this kind of thing is going to get. Then, people will sit around and ask "why is our country going downhill so much?"

Why do you associate discipline with the infliction of pain??



Skyryder

[firefighter]

oh and it was the cops choice to arrest the man and charge him in the first instance...

hey dont blame the cops.....I think you'll find they only pressed charges due to witnesses being there.....they have to up-hold the law, especially when theres a heap of people around and the law is brand-new....otherwise im sure they wouldnt really have bothered.

[RantyDave]

It is lack of discipline and this kind of shit that destroys people.

I'll remind you of that when you get your first speeding ticket.

Dave

[WarlockNZ]

Why do you associate discipline with the infliction of pain??



Skyryder

I said "Harsh" discipline, there are other options

[Ms Piggy]

"New Zealand has nothing to be complacent about. In a UNICEF / INNOCENTI report written in 2005, New Zealand ranks 3rd worst out of 27 OECD countries in terms of children’s deaths from maltreatment. New Zealand has levels of child maltreatment deaths that are 4 to 6 times higher than the average for the leading countries."

Sourced from: http://www.unicef.org.nz/news/news/news1160684054.html

[Skyryder]

I said "Harsh" discipline, there are other options

I was not replying to your post. You got a jug chord. Mine was a razor strop embedded with lead. I never mistreated my children in the way I was. I just hope that you have learnt something from the beatings...........

Skyryder