Sick and tired of Cullen

[paturoa]

People on low incomes get taxed unfairly in my opinion and then the money is plowed back into "working for families", so people feel like they owe auntie Helen something and should kiss her on the bum.

Well, in all fairness the lowest incomes should simply be tax free and people should not have to be on this kind of benefit.

Helen is not doing people any favors by taking money out of their pockets and then kindly giving some of it back.

Unfortunately this is myth but not exposed as such by the chief thief. The low income people out there in real terms pay very little of the tax. Check out this link for the stats. Note that the proportions will have swung further since the date of these stats.


http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...1&postcount=17

[cindymay]

Hilarious!

Those right wing ass kissers the IMF said today that tax cuts would be a disaster unless other services were cut to compensate.

That is the unanswered question from National: How the fuck are you gonna pay for tax cuts? Which social services will lose out; education, health, law and order, aid to the poor?

Watch that space; National is asking us to go down the same failed track the Yanks went down. Trickle down was a failure and tax cuts made the rich richer and the poor poorer.

Well national have principals and the one I like most is "Personal Accountability" while Labour just have personal greed and envy.

If you've been paying attention you'd have seen me say many times that i don't vote Labour.

However, under Labour the economy has grown and the dole queue has shrunk. Could do better for sure but I've lived under antionals lies before. I know they're even worse.

Now please, don't try to blame the global issues on Labour: increasing fuel prices, increasing food prices, the finance collapses etc. Most or all of those are completely out of the hands of ANY NZ government.

Here's my prediction under National: Short term euphoria followed by long term mistrust, mismanagement, dropping wages as they sell us out to the lowest bidders, loss of assets to foreign companies and increasing racial problems. It's taken more than 15 years to drag NZ halfway out of the ECA abuses they perpetrated on us and it'll take just 3 years for them to fuck us completely over again.

Your predictions don't stack up - wages already are low and dropping - in fact most good things have dropped (productivity) and bad things gone up (sickness beneficarys, hospital waiting lists, crime)

yet the sickness benefit has gone though the roof,

i do not think that national is the answer either, but i think the country is worse off than when labour took over 9 years ago, not so much financially but definatly socially,

Financially too - wait until later in year when all that personal borrowing hits miss average.

You guys seem to forget what a great job working for families are doing and we cant have cuts on that cause how are people suppose to survive then you are all selfish the labour gov has done a great job for the last 9 year

Fark - this must be a pisstake. Please let me know you are not for real??

The ugly truth as I see it... with very few exceptions being in Parliament is not some higher calling, some noble stand enabling those voted in to make a lasting mark in the annals of New Zealand history.

For most it's a job. A job with defined lined of responsibility, a boss from whom you must take orders, and you need to compete for business (aka votes).

You do what you can to get the business (votes) from the competition (opposition). If you come across as a smug twat then so be it - the #1 rule is KEEP YOUR JOB. Check out Winnie the poo at the last election. Beaten in his own electorate but got in as a list MP.

If that means pissing off a lot of people from time to time then they do it, so long as the ones that get them back into power on the nominated date are willing to do so. So what does that mean for a Labour Govt?

Bribe the poor. Throw them a few baubles, set their expectations low, right up until the critical date then give them $20/week. For 5/8ths of fuck all they just bought a lot of votes and - most importantly to them - kept their jobs!

Know your enemy... they're a pack of powerful, intelligent, self serving people that club together and busily scratch each others backs first... and THEN think about the country as a whole.

Don't think they're always at each others throats either... just take a quick look at how parliamentary pay rises get pushed through under urgency.

There will be a few laibour hangers on looking for a real job when National kicks them off their sweet directorships on SOEs.

[HenryDorsetCase]

interesting

nationals legacy is to fuck over society in favour of the economy

if labour is already doing that, why vote for the party that's even worse at it?

please, be a bit more specific; exactly how is labour fucking up society?

I like your avatar: Merlin Newsboy? Gene Spicer Ti cruiser?

[HenryDorsetCase]

no, the socialist calling the fascist out actually

great call.

I have had a few glasses of wine since I got home so I can now view all this with detached amusement.

Cheap but tasty aussie red? Youbetcha!

http://www.topwineries.com.au/wines.php?ID=994

[idleidolidyll]

I like your avatar: Merlin Newsboy? Gene Spicer Ti cruiser?

nope; my own design but yes, made from ti

drew it up and had 2 prototypes made then with some mods had 6 made for sale

it's called "Bad News"

[peasea]

Those figures did my head in worse than a Catherine Zeta Jones porn movie. (Was there one? Where can get it?)

Three rules:
1) Believe a politician at your peril
2) Never produce your wallet
3) Tell them nothing

'Them' being anyone.

I have imparted this philosophy to my children:
"Don't trust anyone and you'll never be disappointed."

To follow that I'll quote a Metallica line: "Sad but true".

[HenryDorsetCase]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>serious?

still got any?

what size seat tube?

I LOVE the cantilever cruiser.

(I have a bunch of them myself, and my work commuter is a Diamond Back voyager)

[idleidolidyll]

Well national have principals and the one I like most is "Personal Accountability" while Labour just have personal greed and envy.

that's just National bullshit speak. the only responsibility they have long term is to sell us out to the lowest bidder


Your predictions don't stack up - wages already are low and dropping - in fact most good things have dropped (productivity) and bad things gone up (sickness beneficarys, hospital waiting lists, crime)

wages dropped massively when the Employment Contracts Act was bought in under National; that damage has never been undone. That act all by itself set NZ wages back 20 years by allowing business to make Kiwi workers compete against Thais, Chinese etc and preventing workers and unions from having any power to stop it.

Re your other beliefs; show me the actual stats. Until then it's just hearsay, rumour and propaganda


Financially too - wait until later in year when all that personal borrowing hits miss average.

Financially the world is paying for Amerika's bills. Their failed economics are forcing our rates up.
Their terrorist attacks on the Middle East have forced oil prices to massive highs even though extraction costs have not increased much at all.
Nationals policies are pretty much following Amerika's failed ones: cut taxes, cut social spending, increase the gap between have and have not, take power away from people and give it to companies



Fark - this must be a pisstake. Please let me know you are not for real??



There will be a few laibour hangers on looking for a real job when National kicks them off their sweet directorships on SOEs.

I predict a National win: too many suckers don't think deeply enough to avoid it. Politics is cyclic. I just hope they don't get to do as much damage before they're botted out again

[idleidolidyll]

Unfortunately this is myth but not exposed as such by the chief thief. The low income people out there in real terms pay very little of the tax. Check out this link for the stats. Note that the proportions will have swung further since the date of these stats.


http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...1&postcount=17

GST is a TAX ON THE POOR. oops, caps typo.

When all your money is spent every week just paying the bills, you cannot avoid GST on almost 100% of your income.

The wealthy get to avoid it with 'tax losses', savings, 'investments', family trusts and more.
As a high income earner (and obo my wife who also is) i am happy to pay my share to keep NZ society afloat.

some complain about the drain to Australia: blame National who drove wages down massively and thank Labour for getting at least some of that wage back with the ERA giving some power back to workers and unions.

tax cutting is a cheap party trick; it can't be done without loss elsewhere but National refuse to tell us where that's gonna be from.

[Robert Taylor]

If you are labelled a fascist it also goes hand in hand that you are classed boring and ignorant, according to he who has all the answers and god help anyone who disagrees.
I dont recall being a fascist as I have helped a lot of people in my time for little or no recompense, I think that is more akin to a socialist virtue. I firmly believe in social justice, but not by the means espoused by the Labour people and those more leftward.
A month or so ago we had the official opening of our new business venture and one of the guests of honour was our local MP and Transport Safety Minister Harry Duynhoven. A correct and proper thing to do. I was very forthright in telling Harry that I had never voted Labour in my life and would never do so, but that didnt stop us having a very lengthy and cordial conversation.
My point, you can disagree with someone without recourse to cheap and unsustantiated insults, bad manners and free flowing expletives. Nothing clever in that at all. As it happens we have all ends of the spectrum to blame for our decline, as Scott correctly points out. But I would accord the greater portion in our decline of standards more to the left leaning Governments, they always push for the more radical agendas.

[MattRSK]

Am I alone in this or do other people think M Cullen is sounding like a tired old broken record.

No. Not at all.

[idleidolidyll]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>serious?

still got any?

what size seat tube?

I LOVE the cantilever cruiser.

(I have a bunch of them myself, and my work commuter is a Diamond Back voyager)

I've got one left and it'll fit a guy from 175 to 185cm height of average proportions.
Seat tube is 27.2mm and the bike uses titanium dropouts and comes with a full set to make your bike into anything: track dropouts, singlespeed, deralliuer, hub gear, 26", 29". Vertical dropouts with a sliding mount system.

It's made in the factory used by some of those famous manufacturers of ti bikes. Not cheap though. I also have the ti "soft ride" MTB fork and ti components like bars, cranks, stems etc

PM me if you're really serious; you can have one for a test ride

[peasea]

No. Not at all.

Not at all, tic, not at all, tic, not all tic, not at all, tic

[idleidolidyll]

If you are labelled a fascist it also goes hand in hand that you are classed boring and ignorant, according to he who has all the answers and god help anyone who disagrees.

same boring whining: yawn

I dont recall being a fascist as I have helped a lot of people in my time for little or no recompense, I think that is more akin to a socialist virtue.

you don't seem to even understand what a fascist is. even franco, hitler and mussolini helped some people

I firmly believe in social justice, but not by the means espoused by the Labour people and those more leftward.

yes, we've seen your right wing view of social justice. It seems like you're keen on justice for all as long as it's all done your way without consideration of other cultures, religions or belief systems: totalitarianism again, a very fascist thing

A month or so ago we had the official opening of our new business venture and one of the guests of honour was our local MP and Transport Safety Minister Harry Duynhoven. A correct and proper thing to do. I was very forthright in telling Harry that I had never voted Labour in my life and would never do so, but that didnt stop us having a very lengthy and cordial conversation.

yawn

My point, you can disagree with someone without recourse to cheap and unsustantiated insults, bad manners and free flowing expletives. Nothing clever in that at all.

nothing clever in people who act like pompous asses either but that's what we have to put up with. This is life, just because your conservative sensibilities are upset doesn't make anything your opposition says invalid; but that's what you suggest every time. Nothing clever in your use of ad hominem without naming names either; just cowardice

As it happens we have all ends of the spectrum to blame for our decline, as Scott correctly points out. But I would accord the greater portion in our decline of standards more to the left leaning Governments, they always push for the more radical agendas.

you'd be wrong then. the worst decline was under the odious Employment Contracts Act.
The real income of Kiwis was decimated and has never fully recovered

the label 'fascist' is assigned based on the supported policies and government actions advocated. You fit the bill particularly with your recent call for totalitarianism; that most fascist of all policies

[cindymay]

GST is a TAX ON THE POOR. oops, caps typo.

When all your money is spent every week just paying the bills, you cannot avoid GST on almost 100% of your income.

The wealthy get to avoid it with 'tax losses', savings, 'investments', family trusts and more.
As a high income earner (and obo my wife who also is) i am happy to pay my share to keep NZ society afloat.

some complain about the drain to Australia: blame National who drove wages down massively and thank Labour for getting at least some of that wage back with the ERA giving some power back to workers and unions.

tax cutting is a cheap party trick; it can't be done without loss elsewhere but National refuse to tell us where that's gonna be from.

I guess you are older than me (ECA reference) and therefore what do I know. Well I would like to live in NZ but am about to see the damage of 9 years of Labour destroy productivity and living standards - so like many others Au ls calling. When you can't afford to replace or run your mc just remember - this is NZ the way you want it.