Sick and tired of Cullen

[MattRSK]

I like New Zealand. I pay tax. Some things are more important than politics. Enjoy the moment your in.

[idleidolidyll]

I guess you are older than me (ECA reference) and therefore what do I know. Well I would like to live in NZ but am about to see the damage of 9 years of Labour destroy productivity and living standards - so like many others Au ls calling. When you can't afford to replace or run your mc just remember - this is NZ the way you want it.

i probably am older than you

did you live under the lunatic muldoon? i did

what about the disgusting shipley or any number of other national leaders who took more from NZ society for the rich than they allowed for the poor.

labour didn't destroy productivity; that's a silly myth

again, the ECA did more to ruin the wages and motivations of workers than anything labour has done

[Manxman]

what about the disgusting shipley or any number of other national leaders who took more from NZ society for the rich than they allowed for the poor.

...but didn't we get the America's Cup from this, viz Michael Fay who was the beneficiary (there's a Freudian slip if ever I heard one ) on the sale of railways, scoring big, then subsidising much of the original AC campaign (which ultimately led to success in 95)???

Flippancy aside, what I'm reading here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_...of_New_Zealand is that the Fourth Labour Govt weren't exactly lily white themselves when it came to the economy.

I like New Zealand. I pay tax. Some things are more important than politics. Enjoy the moment your in.

Actually, you're right - except, unfortunately, politics tends to influence much of 'the moment'.

[Brett]

I was tired of Cullen and the rest of the Loser party about the same time as they were first voted in.

[MisterD]

However, under Labour the economy has grown and the dole queue has shrunk. Could do better for sure but I've lived under antionals lies before. I know they're even worse.

Now please, don't try to blame the global issues on Labour: increasing fuel prices, increasing food prices, the finance collapses etc. Most or all of those are completely out of the hands of ANY NZ government.

You want to give them the credit for one, and no blame for the other? It's nothing to do with them that the country's up to it's eyeballs in personal debt, and the housing market's just gone pop?

They've been pissing the money they've robbed of us up the wall spectacularly, keeping inflation going despite the high interest rates killing our exporters, and now they've bought a friggin train set for 50% and the rest more than it was worth, that's going to be a millstone around the country's neck for decades to come.

Jesus! The board of whatever was so commercially incompetent that they couldn't even manage a simple negotiation with Toll, and now they think they can actually run a company? It beggars belief.

[MisterD]

what about the disgusting shipley or any number of other national leaders who took more from NZ society for the rich than they allowed for the poor.

Are you defining rich like Cullen does? Anyone earning over $60k?

[Robert Taylor]

you'd be wrong then. the worst decline was under the odious Employment Contracts Act.
The real income of Kiwis was decimated and has never fully recovered

the label 'fascist' is assigned based on the supported policies and government actions advocated. You fit the bill particularly with your recent call for totalitarianism; that most fascist of all policies

Thankyou, you have just emphatically proven the point I was trying to make. I take issue with the context that you use the word ''we''. I rather think on the evidence of the posts that your ( demonstrably )totally blinkered thinking is actually in the minority. You wont see it that way of course because everyone that is going to vote for National or Act is clearly a "'moron" in left field speak.
And I make no apology for a ( temporary ) call for totalitarianism, the political scene cannot become a whole lot more corrupt and self serving than it is now. It is perhaps a pipe dream to have ANY form of leadership free of corruption and a vision to do whats right for everyday folk. But were it possible a strong leader with absolute control and a conviction to put this country back on its feet would be wonderful, in doing so firmly expunging the ''world owes me a living mentality''.
I have respect for some of the viewpoints of politicians I would never ever consider voting for e.g some of the views of the late Rod Donald and Jim Andertons strong views against party pills /drugs in general. I dont swear, curse or yawn at such people because they largely have views different to mine. Maybe you should also try to be more accomodating to other peoples views. End.

[Shadows]

If you vote Labour you get what you deserve.

No... if you vote Labour then you get what I deserve.

[Toaster]

Yep, it's a no-brainer, isn't it? I'm also sick of social engineering, and the government's "when I want your opinion, I'll give it to you" attitude

Yep and big amen from the congregation for that mate!

(congregation is Toaster's multiple voices in his head)

[Toaster]

... Take a hard line and get the slackers out of bed in the morning. Some will say "where are the jobs?" but there are people sitting not too far from this keyboard who have average jobs/incomes and don't mind getting up in the morning to go do them. Jobs are out there, check the papers. In fact, I say work for the dole!

Well said!!

[Toaster]

Are you defining rich like Cullen does? Anyone earning over $60k?

Agreed.

$60k gross salary is bugger all nowdays and could hardly be considered the upper earning bracket. An average size family with a metropolitan rental or modest size mortgage on thier own home with that kind of income would seriously struggle to break even with all the hikes in prices.

There would be very few in my office floor earning less than $60k and many are struggling to afford their petrol/food/power bills with young families to support.

I personally find the strippers are getting really expensive dammit!!!!

[Shadows]

That is the unanswered question from National: How the fuck are you gonna pay for tax cuts? Which social services will lose out; education, health, law and order, aid to the poor?

Easy. Drop out of the Kyoto Protocol bullshit that the current bunch of fucktards lumbered us with and there'll be plenty to go around.

[Toaster]

Easy. Drop out of the Kyoto Protocol bullshit that the current bunch of fucktards lumbered us with and there'll be plenty to go around.

Exactly! And people forget the simple fact that tax cuts are either saved or spent - BOTH of which are indirectly taxed through GST on spending or RWT on savings. So the Govt always gets its cut and this way the money helps stimulate the economy efficiently.

[idleidolidyll]

...but didn't we get the America's Cup from this, viz Michael Fay who was the beneficiary (there's a Freudian slip if ever I heard one ) on the sale of railways, scoring big, then subsidising much of the original AC campaign (which ultimately led to success in 95)???

Flippancy aside, what I'm reading here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_...of_New_Zealand is that the Fourth Labour Govt weren't exactly lily white themselves when it came to the economy.



Actually, you're right - except, unfortunately, politics tends to influence much of 'the moment'.

yes, we did get Fay and Richwhite and the Amerika's cup. They sold the nations crown jewels to themselves for a pittance. The amerika's cup is a rich mans play thing and the only reason it gets the hype it does is because the same rich men own the media that hype it.

Yes, the 4th Labour Govt was a disaster. It was the right wing Labour Govt from hell and when Roger Douglas left and started the extreme right wing ACT party, it was clear to everyone that the party had been hijacked.
Lets hope that never happens again.
Chicago econoomics as introduced by Douglas have fucked nations up all over the world. Those policies saw almost 100 countries lose their assets to wealthy nations' companies for pocket money while at the same time losing their economies to multinationals.
National took over from the 4 Labour Govt and saw their opportunity to cement the odious policies by giving ultimate power to the corporations through the ECA and other policies.

The 4th Labour govt is a big reason I don't vote for Labour. We need something more socialist than the 'middle wing' labour just in case it decides to go fascist again as with Douglas.

[idleidolidyll]

Easy. Drop out of the Kyoto Protocol bullshit that the current bunch of fucktards lumbered us with and there'll be plenty to go around.

I see, shit in your own nest for a few dollars more.

That should be a National Party slogan.