Sick and tired of Cullen

[idleidolidyll]

You want to give them the credit for one, and no blame for the other? It's nothing to do with them that the country's up to it's eyeballs in personal debt, and the housing market's just gone pop?

They've been pissing the money they've robbed of us up the wall spectacularly, keeping inflation going despite the high interest rates killing our exporters, and now they've bought a friggin train set for 50% and the rest more than it was worth, that's going to be a millstone around the country's neck for decades to come.

Jesus! The board of whatever was so commercially incompetent that they couldn't even manage a simple negotiation with Toll, and now they think they can actually run a company? It beggars belief.

Kiwis have been mass debters since the late 60's. We were sucked into the capitalist consumer bullshit and continue to think we can spend our way to happiness without recourse. That's your fault, my fault and the fault of all the Kiwis who buy crap they don't need and submit to ass reaming by foreign lenders.

The housing collapse is partly cyclic but mainly a flow on from the collapse of the even heavier burden on the world of Yank borrowing systems. It aint the fault of Labour, National, the Greens, ACT or anyone else. They could do something to ameliorate it though; they could start to understand that a primary need for human beings is shelter and security and stop punishing us for wanting to have a home of our own instead of putting up with landlords who'll fleece us and kick us out when a buck cam be sniffed. Again, Chicago economics are greatly to blame.

The rail should not have been sold. Even National now accept that we should own rail and the price is the price in a capitalist system. In a few years or decades, another right wing party will engineer a way to sell the crown jewels again and shortchange us for the privilege.

Communication, transport, health, housing, water, energy: these are fundamental services that should never be left to market forces particularly if those are foreign market forces. The result is always us being screwed for the basics of life. Foreign owners don't give a rats arse for NZ society beyond the profit margins they see. Funding broadband so these same companies can fleece us for the asset we buy is insane: if they want it, let them build it.

[idleidolidyll]

Are you defining rich like Cullen does? Anyone earning over $60k?

No, my wife and i earn about double that amount each and we sure aint rich.

We are however, in a very small percentile of the income bracket. I'm happy to pay my taxes knowing that it helps those left wanting by free market capitalism.

That eats right wingers up I know; high earners supporting the left wing. The claim that socialists are lazy is facile.

[idleidolidyll]

Thankyou, you have just emphatically proven the point I was trying to make. I take issue with the context that you use the word ''we''. I rather think on the evidence of the posts that your ( demonstrably )totally blinkered thinking is actually in the minority. You wont see it that way of course because everyone that is going to vote for National or Act is clearly a "'moron" in left field speak.

Not at all. I know that most Kiwis think left even when they vote right; that's the politics of propaganda. Blinkered better describes you and your belief that your christian conservatism is good for everyone. That's arrogance of the highest order and a good reason to take power away from religion and from conservatism ( groups who think we should all be like them because they are the only ones with the 'word').
Unlike you I welcome diversity (conservatism rejects diversity in favour of laws that favour their own beliefs and forc3e others to obey. You've seen this in Robert Taylors calls for totalitarianism).
Multi cultural societies with a wide range of beliefs are more dynamic than mono cultures.

And I make no apology for a ( temporary ) call for totalitarianism,
(it wasn't temporary, your posts show you'd support totalitarianism any time it would place your supported people and policies at the top: that's what fascists do)

the political scene cannot become a whole lot more corrupt and self serving than it is now

(good grief!!! That's the most lame thing you've ever said!. Of course it could be more corrupt. NZ has been noted as one of the least corrupt countries on the planet. If we moved toward a Yank system we'd be more corrupt, if we moved toward a Zimbabwe system we'dbe more corrupt).

It is perhaps a pipe dream to have ANY form of leadership free of corruption and a vision to do whats right for everyday folk. But were it possible a strong leader with absolute control and a conviction to put this country back on its feet would be wonderful,

(there ya go advocating fascism again)
in doing so firmly expunging the ''world owes me a living mentality''.

(actually that attitude is something capitalists hold dear: they think we are their servants and that we owe them a living)

I have respect for some of the viewpoints of politicians I would never ever consider voting for e.g some of the views of the late Rod Donald and Jim Andertons strong views against party pills /drugs in general.

(that was a crock. Unless they also made alcohol and tobacco illegal; the worst drugs, they were hippocrates. Another typical conservative stance: "my drug is OK but yours is evil")

I dont swear, curse or yawn at such people because they largely have views different to mine. Maybe you should also try to be more accomodating to other peoples views. End.

so what? i do so BECAUSE it upsets you. prissy fascists who refuse to debate just because someone says fuck are hilarious and deserve winding up.

[idleidolidyll]

Agreed.

$60k gross salary is bugger all nowdays and could hardly be considered the upper earning bracket. An average size family with a metropolitan rental or modest size mortgage on thier own home with that kind of income would seriously struggle to break even with all the hikes in prices.

There would be very few in my office floor earning less than $60k and many are struggling to afford their petrol/food/power bills with young families to support.

I personally find the strippers are getting really expensive dammit!!!!

and yet the percentage of people earning over $60k is small. Listening to them whine about how poor they are while others earn $25k or suffer job closures and have to live on the dole makes me want to puke.

[Maki]

Unfortunately this is myth but not exposed as such by the chief thief. The low income people out there in real terms pay very little of the tax. Check out this link for the stats. Note that the proportions will have swung further since the date of these stats.


http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...1&postcount=17

A fraction of a small salary is always going to be small. Any idiot can see that. I find it morally reprehensible to tax people who are barely making enough to feed themselves and then giving them back some of it to buy votes. The lowest salaries should simply be tax free and people should not have to ask auntie Helen for part of THEIR money back.

[Maki]

and yet the percentage of people earning over $60k is small. Listening to them whine about how poor they are while others earn $25k or suffer job closures and have to live on the dole makes me want to puke.

Puke all you like. The people who make more than $60k are the ones this country afloat. You can kiss goodbye to the welfare state once you get rid of those people. There simply won't be any money left to pay for the benefits, health care, and of course aunty Helen's votes.

People get payed more than $60K for a reason. It's called getting an education and working hard. The more you punish people that work hard, the less people will feel inclined to do so.

There are some people in this country that earn more than $60K and don't deserve it. Most of them work in a place called the Beehive...

[Maki]

I came across this on the NZ Herald website:

http://blogs.nzherald.co.nz/blog/you...u-it/?c_id=466

Mike B (Auckland Central)

"I get the idea that NZ leaders are very closed-minded. They have an opportunity to set NZ up as one of the worlds premium places to live, but cannot see past the issue of reducing tax rates. they are too small minded to see that if they reduce tax rates (like Singapore) then you get a lot of investment - and hence more taxes. It would not even take that much investment to makeup the lost taxes - after all, taxes from 2 million people is not much.

They just don't understand that a smaller slice of a bigger pie is more than a big slice of a small pie."

Cullen is fossilized in his thinking.

[MisterD]

What makes you think that this lot want investment? They've recently done everything they can to discourage it for short-term political gain with their intellectually challenged electors....Auckland airport? Trainset for $600M?

[Hitcher]

and yet the percentage of people earning over $60k is small. Listening to them whine about how poor they are while others earn $25k or suffer job closures and have to live on the dole makes me want to puke.

Even more reason to adopt my taxation system, where only net taxpayers get a vote. This is to stop governments and taxpayers being sodomised by the self-interest of a large and growing bunch of beneficiaries and state-sponsored bludgers. Under my system voters would also get allocated voting priviledges commensurate to their tax contributions. That would also have the benefit of significantly reducing tax avoidance.

[Robert Taylor]

so what? i do so BECAUSE it upsets you. prissy fascists who refuse to debate just because someone says fuck are hilarious and deserve winding up.

Where did I say anywhere that I was a Christian? You make too many assumptions that you feel comfortable with. For the record I only attend Christian institutions for hatced, matched and despatched ceremonies.
You know, what I really dislike are people with a smirk on their dial and he who personifies that most is Michael Cullen.
It is abundantly clear that you also enjoy winding people up with the rivers of filth that pour forth from your diatribes, thanks for acknowledging your little problem. Hilarious ( sorry I stole that )
Given that there is a ''right wing'' resurgence here and in other countries I guess thiws is what is to be expected.

[MisterD]

Kiwis have been mass debters since the late 60's. We were sucked into the capitalist consumer bullshit and continue to think we can spend our way to happiness without recourse. That's your fault, my fault and the fault of all the Kiwis who buy crap they don't need and submit to ass reaming by foreign lenders.

Don't look at me, I have no debt other than my mortgage, and 70% equity in my home.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Communication, transport, health, housing, water, energy: these are fundamental services that should never be left to market forces particularly if those are foreign market forces. The result is always us being screwed for the basics of life. Foreign owners don't give a rats arse for NZ society beyond the profit margins they see. Funding broadband so these same companies can fleece us for the asset we buy is insane: if they want it, let them build it.

Concur. 10 chars.

[Swoop]

the worst decline was under the odious Employment Contracts Act.
The real income of Kiwis was decimated and has never fully recovered

Yet the Looney Labourite Sect has had how many years to repeal or modify that ECA legislation, yet has done NOTHING?

I guess their backhanders from business, has guaranteed their complicity.

[Dilligaf]

No, my wife and i earn about double that amount each and we sure aint rich..

and yet the percentage of people earning over $60k is small. Listening to them whine about how poor they are while

Hummmmmmmmmmm....

[Hitcher]

Yet the Looney Labourite Sect has had how many years to repeal or modify that ECA legislation, yet has done NOTHING?

I guess their backhanders from business, has guaranteed their complicity.

Erm, one of the first things the Labour Government did in 1999 was to repeal the ECA and replace it with the Employment Relations Act.