Chris Kahui not guilty

[Grahameeboy]

Ouch, that must have been painfull..... I know that with just a glass eye I just manage to tell the time...

Those with glass balls eh...and I though it was only your balls that were glass, didn't realise you had an extreme makeover and had an eye done as well....guess as you were an accident you were covered by ACC....

[jrandom]

What makes me wonder is that Maori's want the Treaty to be a part of our society to give in effect Maori extra considerations...read any dhb website and it's values...and then they conceal the truth as in the case and others before...hypocrites...

You need to be careful not to simply equate Maori as an ethnicity and a sociopolitical group with Maori as an over-represented proportion of this country's criminal underclass.

In many cases, yes, that overlap is a sad fact, but if you and I speak in the way you just wrote, there, taking the actions of a single criminal (or a single family) to be representative of the entire ethnicity, we paint ourselves as blinkered, small-minded colonials.

[Grahameeboy]

Shhhush. I can, but don't tell anyone.

Oh...you have 'shattered' my illusions

[Hitcher]

What makes me wonder is that Maori's want the Treaty to be a part of our society to give in effect Maori extra considerations...read any dhb website and it's values...and then they conceal the truth as in the case and others before...hypocrites...

That's a particularly harsh generalisation. There are lots of Maori families making a pretty damned-fine job of raising their kids.

[jrandom]

if the AS Law in time can stop this, and time will tell

Time will undoubtedly tell that it will make no difference whatsoever to these cases.

Laws making it easier for the Police to prosecute borderline situations of child abuse do nothing to address the underlying problem.

The fix for that lies in these children breaking free from the cycle of poverty and violence, and then raising their children differently. One achieves that, over time, via high-quality education and health services, and a strong economy.

Not via legislative band-aids.

[Grahameeboy]

You need to be careful not to simply equate Maori as an ethnicity and a sociopolitical group with Maori as an over-represented proportion of this country's criminal underclass.

In many cases, yes, that overlap is a sad fact, but if you and I speak in the way you just wrote, there, taking the actions of a single criminal (or a single family) to be representative of the entire ethnicity, we paint ourselves as blinkered, small-minded colonials.

I must take after my old man then

[Grahameeboy]

Time will undoubtedly tell that it will make no difference whatsoever to these cases.

Laws making it easier for the Police to prosecute borderline situations of child abuse do nothing to address the underlying problem.

The fix for that lies in these children breaking free from the cycle of poverty and violence, and then raising their children differently. One achieves that, over time, via high-quality education and health services, and a strong economy.

Not via legislative band-aids.

Agree but Laws are often buffers during the interim and the passing of laws is a way towards this...

[peasea]

That's a particularly harsh generalisation. There are lots of Maori families making a pretty damned-fine job of raising their kids.

I can name some.

[Grahameeboy]

That's a particularly harsh generalisation. There are lots of Maori families making a pretty damned-fine job of raising their kids.

I agree and was not saying that...I was just looking at one aspect..in no way do I associate Maori with poverty and although my post did not say that I realise with PC and all that that some will have more sensitivity and I apologise for any perception of my ignorance....just I come from a non-PC culture...and sometimes to move forward we need to get over too much PC stuff sometimes...

I work with a lot of Maori and they are often calling me "Colonial".."White Boy" and I take no offence...it's just micky taking

[peasea]

I must take after my old man then

So, you look like a girl in a scarf?

[Grahameeboy]

So, you look like a girl in a scarf?

Yep just scarf darling.....

[slimjim]

I agree and was not saying that...I was just looking at one aspect..in no way do I associate Maori with poverty and although my post did not say that I realise with PC and all that that some will have more sensitivity and I apologise for any perception of my ignorance....just I come from a non-PC culture...and sometimes to move forward we need to get over too much PC stuff sometimes...

I work with a lot of Maori and they are often calling me "Colonial".."White Boy" and I take no offence...it's just micky taking

really strange that huh ...colonial .... and you blow it off as taking the whiteness out of you sorry are from oversea's,,,, humm so you have spent alot of time listening or just blowing them of as brownies , yea you spoke of some having more sensitivity than of what ? read between what you where in need of thought while in looking back now you realise some will take it differently is that what you were wanting ?

[El Dopa]

The Police had inordinate difficulty trying to understand exactly what had happened here.

Would you care to comment on the bloke (mothers boyfriend?) that out of the blue phoned up the police and told them the mother confessed and he had a recording of it?

This was during the investigation - i.e. well before the court proceedings.

Of course, by the time the police followed this up, it was something like six months (six fucking months!) later, and the bloke had deleted the recording as he (quite reasonably) assumed the police weren't interested.

What exactly is so 'inordinately difficult' about following up leads handed to you on a plate?

And yes, I may have some of the details incorrect, but I believe I have the general gist of things correct.

[peasea]

really strange that huh ...colonial .... and you blow it off as taking the whiteness out of you sorry are from oversea's,,,, humm so you have spent alot of time listening or just blowing them of as brownies , yea you spoke of some having more sensitivity than of what ? read between what you where in need of thought while in looking back now you realise some will take it differently is that what you were wanting ?

Could you please re-write that, slow down and sort the grammar. I'm prepared to listen, if you can make it understandable.

[devnull]

Time will undoubtedly tell that it will make no difference whatsoever to these cases.

Laws making it easier for the Police to prosecute borderline situations of child abuse do nothing to address the underlying problem.

The fix for that lies in these children breaking free from the cycle of poverty and violence, and then raising their children differently. One achieves that, over time, via high-quality education and health services, and a strong economy.

Not via legislative band-aids.

Spot on!!

The whole anti-smacking thing was complete and utter bullshit.
If the example of Sweden wasn't enough, the huge amount of psych research should've raised big red warning flags that social engineering like that brreds more violence...

As for Kahui, the prick deserves a bullet.

Whether he inflicted the injuries or not, he has blood on his hands.
He refused to call an ambulance, and to take the kids to hospital.

King deserves the same - why the hell are these deadbeats even allowed to breed? Who the hell wants to live in a socialist society when it breeds scum like those two....