Square Trust Rescue Helicopter fundraising ride

[yod]

Are you mad!! If the plan makes sense then it'll surely go wrong. Otherwise, I like your idea.

good point

[mowgli]

How many potentially confusing corners are we talking about? Why not start with a dozen or so marshalls in the lead bunch with the RIC. At each trouble point one marshall stops and marks the corner for those that follow. When the TEC arrives the marshall rejoins the ride.

[chanceyy]

How many potentially confusing corners are we talking about? Why not start with a dozen or so marshalls in the lead bunch with the RIC. At each trouble point one marshall stops and marks the corner for those that follow. When the TEC arrives the marshall rejoins the ride.

Not that I have ridden the course yet .. but roughly 18 marshalls are required at this stage .. depends on how much help we get from the police .. letter ready to be sent

& Rob that is the rough plan at this stage .. most of the rides I have organised in the past the experienced riders are free to ride as they please to make their way back to the front ..

as this ride will have riders whom we have no idea how they ride (& prob those young males with some thing to prove) I am not sure for this ride that will be a good idea

just seeing wot you guys think ..

[sinfull]

Not that I have ridden the course yet .. but roughly 18 marshalls are required at this stage .. depends on how much help we get from the police .. letter ready to be sent

& Rob that is the rough plan at this stage .. most of the rides I have organised in the past the experienced riders are free to ride as they please to make their way back to the front ..

as this ride will have riders whom we have no idea how they ride (& prob those young males with some thing to prove) I am not sure for this ride that will be a good idea

just seeing wot you guys think ..

What ya need is a lard arse waggling his behind all over the place only letting yellow vests through and the *young ones* would hesitate !
(can i play defence ?)

[chanceyy]

What ya need is a lard arse waggling his behind all over the place only letting yellow vests through and the *young ones* would hesitate !
(can i play defence ?)

nice try but

[mowgli]

That's cool. The feasibility of moving up from TEC to RIC will depend on how spread out the group is and what the average speed is. Our desire to not break the law and lead by example constrains us here.

Consider the following where the group average speed is 85kph and a marshall stops at the side of the road for 90 seconds. That's equivalent to the group being spread over about 2km. If the marshall then plays catch the leader it will take them nearly 13 minutes if they maintain their average speed +10 on the main group. Of course you could get there quicker but what message would that send? It could also be a lot of time spent in the opposite lane.

Fwiw I don't think playing catchup is viable. Shortcuts? Now that's a different story. Has anyone put the route into google maps/quikmaps/wises etc? I don't even know where it goes yet.

[cowboyz]

its a secret squirrel route. actually its not but I am not posting it up till it is confirmed. You could always come on the test run on the 7th if you want to know where it goes. (bearing in mind that it could be changed on the 14th when chanceyy rides it)

[sinfull]

nice try but

Haha yeah i know ! Would be concerned with marshalls doing a catchup cause ya know what will happen aye ?

Ya got the numbers so ya should be sweet with Marshalls starting at the front then dropping off to act as pointers, then joining TEC as the last goes by ! (what ya need is intercoms, then they could all play i spy)
Sh.t did i say that out loud ?

[mowgli]

its a secret squirrel route. actually its not but I am not posting it up till it is confirmed. You could always come on the test run on the 7th if you want to know where it goes. (bearing in mind that it could be changed on the 14th when chanceyy rides it)

Yeah, I wish I could. My weekends are all booked up for a while. I don't mind if the route remains a surprise.

[chanceyy]

That's cool. The feasibility of moving up from TEC to RIC will depend on how spread out the group is and what the average speed is. Our desire to not break the law and lead by example constrains us here.

Consider the following where the group average speed is 85kph and a marshall stops at the side of the road for 90 seconds. That's equivalent to the group being spread over about 2km. If the marshall then plays catch the leader it will take them nearly 13 minutes if they maintain their average speed +10 on the main group. Of course you could get there quicker but what message would that send? It could also be a lot of time spent in the opposite lane.

Fwiw I don't think playing catchup is viable. Shortcuts? Now that's a different story. Has anyone put the route into google maps/quikmaps/wises etc? I don't even know where it goes yet.

you have not seen this group ride but yeah its the effect on the rest of the group that has to be managed .. there will be two rolling re-groups on the ride as distance & terrain will allow this, but until I see the route on the 14th & get to discuss it with those who rode on the 7th & at the meeting on the 14th can really get to brass tacks .. obviously the marshals will have to be all on board with wots decided as well

Haha yeah i know ! Would be concerned with marshalls doing a catchup cause ya know what will happen aye ?

Ya got the numbers so ya should be sweet with Marshalls starting at the front then dropping off to act as pointers, then joining TEC as the last goes by ! (what ya need is intercoms, then they could all play i spy)
Sh.t did i say that out loud ?

yeah comms would be great but dunno if we can access that kinda communication .. however RIC will have to definately be restrained ..


will be the usual suspects I gather out the back & thats fine we all ride together regularly anyway so not worried about that .. some of those guys will need restraining as well

so wot about the thoughts of the 250's near the front ??

[sinfull]

so wot about the thoughts of the 250's near the front ??

Good idea to keep the speed down, as long as those behind them wont presure them or get frustrated !
Know Heidi has begun to enjoy front running/leading but some might spend too much time in their mirrors !
Might work if we create a block between the 250's and the rest with yellow vests ! (not to be taken as an aggressive *block*)

[chanceyy]

Good idea to keep the speed down, as long as those behind them wont presure them or get frustrated !
Know Heidi has begun to enjoy front running/leading but some might spend too much time in their mirrors !
Might work if we create a block between the 250's and the rest with yellow vests ! (not to be taken as an aggressive *block*)

nods with pace slow still need to ensure space around the individual thats up to everyone to monitor ..

only reason I am keen for this as experienced riders end up at the front bored with the pace & the newbies struggle with the faster pace at the rear

[sinfull]

nods with pace slow still need to ensure space around the individual thats up to everyone to monitor ..

only reason I am keen for this as experienced riders end up at the front bored with the pace & the newbies struggle with the faster pace at the rear

Have to say here Sandra, my wrists will cop a bashing that day either in front of, or behind the 2fitys ! You get someone impatient, who goes fuck this i'm gonna play! Where would you rather he play ? in amoungst the learners or with ppl who would sit upright, put their hands on hips and make him feel the idiot ?
Personal opinion i think they are safest at the rear ! (no pressure on them )! Packs regrouping along the way, so it dont matter if it splits, Which it wont if the leaders only doing 90 or less !

Will say that this is the perfect ride to coax any noob's that might like to, but are shy to ride with a group ! Low speeds, well spread out at the back, with experienced marshalls along the way to give plenty of warning of hassards etc ! Couldn't ask for a better day to try a group ride ! The odd stop so any questions about group riding can be asked (or for that matter good ideas, politely mentioned to noob's)

[chanceyy]

Have to say here Sandra, my wrists will cop a bashing that day either in front of, or behind the 2fitys ! You get someone impatient, who goes fuck this i'm gonna play! Where would you rather he play ? in amoungst the learners or with ppl who would sit upright, put their hands on hips and make him feel the idiot ?
Personal opinion i think they are safest at the rear ! (no pressure on them ! Packs regrouping along the way, so it dont matter if it splits, Which it wont if the leaders only doing 90 or less !)

I would rather they do not play at all .. however its something I guess I will have no control over .. mind you my chanceyy speechs are pretty clear cut & touch wood so far no one has misbehaved ..

the problem is after several min the group will be spread out over a distance & the rear riders generally being the newer ones & trying to stay out of the way are the ones who feel the pressure to try & ride faster even though there will be plenty of TEC

going by the road code they also state the new riders need to be behind the leader .. when I first read it though hell no .. but after seeing a few large group rides I am now inclined to agree .. also thought of having the 250 riders behind the marshals & with another marshal behind them so no one passes that marshal .. gives them a bit of a safety buffer ...

anyhow its all just a thought at the moment .. not sure about reality .. but will get a general consensus & go with that ..

[sinfull]

I would rather they do not play at all .. however its something I guess I will have no control over .. mind you my chanceyy speechs are pretty clear cut & touch wood so far no one has misbehaved ..

the problem is after several min the group will be spread out over a distance & the rear riders generally being the newer ones & trying to stay out of the way are the ones who feel the pressure to try & ride faster even though there will be plenty of TEC

going by the road code they also state the new riders need to be behind the leader .. when I first read it though hell no .. but after seeing a few large group rides I am now inclined to agree .. also thought of having the 250 riders behind the marshals & with another marshal behind them so no one passes that marshal .. gives them a bit of a safety buffer ...

anyhow its all just a thought at the moment .. not sure about reality .. but will get a general consensus & go with that ..

Do like the idea of the buffer behind the noob's !~
Remembering that 70 k is the speed some will be traveling at ? and if there will be police riding/driving with us the L plates will obey the limit !
though your idea of learners at the front 150 odd k's at 70 ks is hard for experienced guys, but most (MOST, screw the rest) don't mind having a smoke or a yak at stops along the way and Learners appreciate others waiting for them ! It does work, and a talk to the Learners to let them know that they also have leaders If the main pack rides away and there is no need to play catch up, might work !
("Throwing them at ya" only ideas !!)