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    Quote Originally Posted by Her_B4 View Post
    Bah - had a couple of those - damned expensive to maintain, but a good stop gap
    I don't really cost my girlfriend that much... that doesn't make me 'cheap' does it?
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    stick around young grasshopper...and be patient, these things take time!
    Indeed. I've got a head start over most people...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerousBastard View Post
    Well Edbear, I didn't know what to trim off that quote. Quite an accurate and heartfelt sum-up.

    After we gather all the skills to actually run a relationship, and learn to listen and talk about how we feel, and put down out preconcieved ideas, we arrive at a new place with our mate of 20 years. Things then are strangely quiet and calm, akin to after a severe storm. It's foolish to cast off the relationship at this point. Its the beginning of a new clearness and safety.

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    Nailed it! As they say, "Good things take time..."
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    2 humans start a relationship. When one passes away that physicial side of the relationship is over or correct me if i am wrong or have we found a cure to live forever???

    There are different stages of compatability in life for relationships. But everyone will experiences rough patches somewhere along the way. Some will make another go of the relationship others will end it and not look back.

    Example I met a guy he has a daughter and is divorced. I have no intentions wanting kids of my own but am prepared to accept his and spend time with her by teaching piano as we are friends.

    Hes mid 30's Im mid 20s. Im not speaking about the age gap, but he is on a different stage of life compared to me. I dont know what its like to have children of my own, never been married, hes done both and there is where the differences lie.

    Hypothetical situation...
    What if my biologicial clock kicks in over 10 years time and Im in a relationship...and I'm the one wanting marriage start a family and experience that particular stage of life? Yet at the time we agreed to being a couple we were more than compatable. Hes already been there done that and learnt things I havent including emotional dealings with having a child involved in a previous relationship. Eventually things can not be worked out, Id be looking elsewhere to be with someone who would want to experience that stage of life with me get married and have a family as the biologicial clock would be ticking.

    Conclusion - communication trust and compromise to some level.

    My parents prime example mum had an affair, they worked through that then dad was diagnosed with terminal cancer. For two years he fought it cured it and is a different man today. I asked him what kept him going as he was laying there in the bed waiting for death, he said it was his love for mum that kept him fighting. (married 27 years now)

    I think after what she did they should have parted, but they agreed to give it another go. I respect them both as people but am allowed to feel how I feel. And as for my views on relationships Im allowed to have my own views just like anyone else does.

    Everyone experiences love at some stage of life weather you persue it or not is another matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyote View Post
    I don't really cost my girlfriend that much... that doesn't make me 'cheap' does it?...

    Naaaahh - cost efficient one might say .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyote View Post
    What about death? Think that can end a relationship pretty well.
    Only the phsyical manifestation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 007XX View Post
    I am unwavering and constant in what matters...avatars don't.
    I disagree, your avatars matters to me And thank you btw

    Quote Originally Posted by imdying View Post
    Only the phsyical manifestation.
    That would have to be considered a rather subjective truth wouldn't you agree?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyote View Post
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    Indeed. I've got a head start over most people...
    I need to share the love around before giving it to you again...but that definitely was a good answer!

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    Conclusion - communication trust and compromise to some level.
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    Banged it on the head, right there...
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    Time to cut out the "holier/more enlightened than thou" bullshit and the "slut" comments and let people live honestly how they like providing they're not harming themselves or others in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clockwork View Post
    ... surely condeming others for making the same "mistakes" you have made yourself is hypocritical...
    I'm neither God nor a judge; I can't condemn anybody. All I can do is have a personal opinion of their merit, based on their actions and stated opinions.

    It feels far more correct to say what I do after learning from personal experience than it would to write weasel words and imply that everything is relative. Therefore, I say it.

    I'd also like to point out that we're not really talking about sex, here. That's incidental. The issue that lies behind the subject of adultery is honesty and integrity; the keeping of promises and the telling of truth.

    Sex is wonderful; deceit is loathsome. An inability to acknowledge both of those truths characterises the thinking of many an adulterer; I give you The Stranger as Exhibit A in this regard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Clockwork View Post
    those that don't then feel as guilty about it as you now do?
    Guilt? I think what we call 'guilt' is the knowledge that one is on the wrong path, combined with the lack of strength to leave it.

    The past is water under the bridge. Once the correct lessons have been learned from it, obsessing about it benefits nobody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrandom View Post
    Guilt? I think what we call 'guilt' is the knowledge that one is on the wrong path, combined with the lack of strength to leave it.

    The past is water under the bridge. Once the correct lessons have been learned from it, obsessing about it benefits nobody.
    Sir, I agree that obsessing about the past is of no benefit to anyone. Unfortunately few of us have the skills and abilities to self-analyse and "move on". Us guys especially are weak when it comes to expressing our emotions and dealing appropriately with our feelings.

    In addition to that, some of the issues and life experiences some of us have endured are simply bigger than us and at times threaten to overwhelm us. At these moments we can often benefit from a degree of expert external intervention to help us navigate through the quagmire of colliding emotions we may be experiencing. It's OK to feel emotionally "stuck"!

    Every relationship is unique to some degree - if we accept that each of us is unique as individuals then two such individuals in turn form a unique union with its own code of conduct, priorities and boundaries. Yet every relationship is bound by an overriding group of principles that are common to all successful long-term relationships regardless of who the participants are, and those principles involve trust, respect, tolerance, compassion, patience, forgiveness, and generally wanting the best for the other person. Unfortunately the natural tendency of relationships over a long period of time is isolation, often due to unresolved hurts and misunderstandings.

    This is why adultery is a big problem for a relationship. It erodes trust and respect that can take years to restore. It occurs when a person puts their desires and needs ahead of their integrity, prior commitments and obligations, and involves a large degree of selfishness. The relationships that survive adultery are a greater testament to the forgiveness of the "wronged" spouse than the apology of the adulterer.

    I think that there is a common assumption these days that we "fall in love" with someone, often at first sight, and after a period of time those feelings of euphoria we may have once had aren't there now so we can't be in love with that person any more and it's time to "move on". Here's the kicker: Love isn't an emotion - it's an act of will. We CHOOSE to love someone. Check most wedding vows and they will say "I will love and honour *** until death parts us" or words to that effect. There are times we may not LIKE our spouse, but Love and Hate are not opposites. The opposite of Love is APATHY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrandom View Post


    Dr Mira Kirshenbaum deserves to:

    A. Be fucked up the arse without Vaseline by every man whose wife has ever spread her legs behind his back for some slimy desperate bastard, and

    B. Have her tits burned off with an oxy-acetylene torch by every woman whose husband has left her crying and alone in the night while he spouts bullshit and sneaks out to bang some dumbfuck self-obsessed whore.

    Quote Originally Posted by jrandom View Post
    I'm neither God nor a judge; I can't condemn anybody.
    Sorry, it seemed pretty judgmental to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clockwork View Post
    Sorry, it seemed pretty judgmental to me
    You need to learn to interpret hyperbole correctly.

    Y'know what's a bit odd? If I posted a similar flight of rhetoric in response to news of someone advocating motorcycle theft, I very much doubt that I would be castigated for being judgmental.

    'Over the top', maybe, but not 'judgmental'.

    Because, you see, people around these 'ere parts agree that motorcycle theft is wrong.

    It would appear, though, that you (and a few others) see adultery as less obviously 'wrong' than motorcycle theft.

    While we've had a number of prissy statements along the lines of 'judge not, lest ye be judged', this thread has seen absolutely no justification for adultery being, in and of itself, less of an evil than motorcycle theft.

    Is adultery occasionally understandable? Of course it is. So is motorcycle theft.

    But they're still both wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007XX View Post
    Give me a break!

    Life is not a porno version of Mills and Boons for cryin' out loud. Cheating means premeditation, full stop.
    Any self righteous hypocrite who declares having cheated without having consciously made the choice at one point or another is a filthy liar.
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    WTF?!?!?But you're French! You fellas virtually invented the Mistress/Lover/Affair as being something "Tout le monde" does!
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    Quote Originally Posted by McJim View Post
    WTF?!?!?But you're French! You fellas virtually invented the Mistress/Lover/Affair as being something "Tout le monde" does!
    hahaha...the fact we gave it a name that became popular does not mean we invented it.

    I bet you the Italians had it going hot and sweaty way before we did.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    Time to cut out the "holier/more enlightened than thou" bullshit and the "slut" comments and let people live honestly how they like providing they're not harming themselves or others in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrandom View Post
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    While we've had a number of prissy statements along the lines of 'judge not, lest ye be judged', this thread has seen absolutely no justification for adultery being, in and of itself, less of an evil than motorcycle theft.
    I disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clockwork View Post
    I disagree.
    Were you hoping to persuade anyone toward your point of view with that statement, or were you just looking to burn a little bandwidth?
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