What is your solution to the gang violence of late?

[Macstar]

What scares me is the carnage the drug P is causing, but what will the next drug be? And what will that do to society? Drugs are becoming harder and harder.

Sorry, link to gangs - many of these guys are obviously pushers of P and just for that reason alone should be jailed. But not a hotel, all expenses paid jail - a work for your food & accom jail. It's bad enough that society pays the social and direct costs of gang's crime, but then salt in the wounds that we pay over $100000 per year per inmate.

How can we round up the gangs? STOP DIVERTING POLICE AWAY TO TRAFFIC DUTIES / REVENUE COLLECTION!

[Swoop]

...send Sue Badford around to give them all hugs.

Then nuke them.

[Trudes]

Send the Black power a letter from the Mongrel Mob saying they are going to rape all their bitches and impregnate their dogs etc and such and send the same letter to the mongrel mob from the black power to begin some kind of gang war, hopefully they'll wipe each other out, problem solved, repeat with other gangs.

[Headbanger]

For the current generation, Lets get a demerit system going with known and enforced jail time. Makes me sick how people can spend every weekend destroying peoples property and having run ins with the police and get endless community service and fines that we pay for by way of a benefit. This shit costs us as a community millions upon millions of dollars a year.

3 petty offences, 1 month in jail.

If you fail to mend your ways, Then fuck you, 10 years.

[fatzx10r]

send the SAS after them, im sure they would get rid of them quick enough. aqnd it would make great tv

[firefighter]

What scares me is the carnage the drug P is causing, but what will the next drug be? And what will that do to society? Drugs are becoming harder and harder.

Sorry, link to gangs - many of these guys are obviously pushers of P and just for that reason alone should be jailed. But not a hotel, all expenses paid jail - a work for your food & accom jail. It's bad enough that society pays the social and direct costs of gang's crime, but then salt in the wounds that we pay over $100000 per year per inmate.

How can we round up the gangs? STOP DIVERTING POLICE AWAY TO TRAFFIC DUTIES / REVENUE COLLECTION!

kinda like that movie escape from Absolom? (I think that's the movie)

sounds good to me!

[AllanB]

Send the Black power a letter from the Mongrel Mob saying they are going to rape all their bitches and impregnate their dogs etc and such and send the same letter to the mongrel mob from the black power to begin some kind of gang war, hopefully they'll wipe each other out, problem solved, repeat with other gangs.

Only one problem here - can any of them read?

[Conquiztador]

For the current generation, Lets get a demerit system going with known and enforced jail time. Makes me sick how people can spend every weekend destroying peoples property and having run ins with the police and get endless community service and fines that we pay for by way of a benefit. This shit costs us as a community millions upon millions of dollars a year.

3 petty offences, 1 month in jail.

If you fail to mend your ways, Then fuck you, 10 years.

Headbanger for PM!!!

My opinion has always been that we have got the reason for jail wrong. It has nothing to do with punishment. It has all to do with protection. Protection of the law abiding ones who have the right to walk the streets whenever and where ever they see fit.

Take away any and all rights the prisoners have.
Make them work. Hard.
Make a prison sentence of 7 years mean 7 years. No exeptions.
Yes, provide rehabilitation. But only to those who come asking for it. The ones who want the change.
Take away TV's, phones, luxuries. At least for the first 2/3's of the sentence. make them think twice re going back in.
And I am a big believer in the logic behind the "3 strikes and out" rule. Once you have lost the right to be part of the society you need to be removed to protect others.

[Trudes]

Only one problem here - can any of them read?

That's a damn good point! We could write it in smilies:

[Conquiztador]

And yes, I have some ideas re how this could be addressed (as you would expect...)

I fully agree with an earlier poster that said that forget re the grown ups. Too late. Focus on the kids, give them options. It is really the only solution. But catch 22: Their parents need to want the change for their kids, and sadly not all parents are up to it. (Again, my pet solution to all problems: If everyone took care of their own kids all problems would go away!)

So is the state supposed to do it for them? Is that not what is happening and personal responsibility is suddenly corroded away? Take the parents who's kids are in state care and something goes wrong. Their parents blame the state and want compensation. For what? That they did not do their job in the first instance??

And here my solution: Provide more funding for non-profit organisations that are working with children and youth. These organisations have people working for them that really do care, that put heaps of time and effort in for very little money. Make it easier for them to do what they want to do and see the issues disapper, cost of crime "prevention" go down. Give the kids places to go where they feel comfy, where there are ppl that genuinley care and give them options. Fix the problems BEFORE they exists. To be the ambulance at bottom of the cliff is not a solution.

Yes, this will cost money. But in the long run it will save heaps more money.

[Genestho]

It appears to start in the home, and from a young age.

Let your kids know theyre loved and nurtured, well fed, taught consequences.
Keep them in sport and out of court, teach them respect and discipline.
Good education and healthcare.
Give teachers the power back, they get trashed and disrepected and it must be impossible to attempt to educate kids this way.

Get them into hunting and fishing, teach them how to survive in the bush.
Good old fashioned skills.
If you put the effort in, they wont feel the need to hang out round town and cause trouble, or meet with like minded groups.

I know many gang members that joined up because they were lacking in family solidity.

Boot camps, lowering the age for serious and violent adult crime.

And above all consequences that fit the nature of the crime.

Tim Shadbolts right - if the army sleep in tents, why cant convicted prisoners? Then everyone can stop whinging about the cost of prison and get stuck in with the consequences and start to turn this shit around.

Personally I think there'll always be gangs - as someone else posted there is always a criminal element, always has been always will be, it just has to be treated with appropriate action

[1 Free Man]

Send the Black power a letter from the Mongrel Mob saying they are going to rape all their bitches and impregnate their dogs etc and such and send the same letter to the mongrel mob from the black power to begin some kind of gang war, hopefully they'll wipe each other out, problem solved, repeat with other gangs.

I like your style Madam. Great Idea
THEN either A. Nuke the fuckers that are left
or B. Ship the rest of them out to an Iceberg and leave them on it.
Not fair to Filthy up a pristine island like Kapiti Island.

[Teflon]

The older gang members,those who have been in from the beginning are the ones saying they are changing their ways....they have seen the past and can see the future.The gangs need to be led from within,these are the guys who can lead the change.

I can't see that happening.. to much money to be made


NZ middle class are smoking so much crack, can you really blame gangs for fighting over turf.. a lot of coin to be made


I blame the Chinese.. Most of the meth precursors are imported by the Triads.. which is fucking up this country

[Tumbles]

Why is shoot them not allowed? Not gang members in general, but anyone caught of cold blooded murder, shoot them! If the punishment is severe enough for a crime that is calculated, it won't happen nearly as often.

You can't tell me that if the indian liquor store owner's killer knew that if he got caught he would be executed no questions asked, that he would have shot him in cold blood like that. Similarly, if he knew that he would be spending the entire rest of his life in solitary confinement if caught doing armed robbery to begin with, that he would take that risk. Its the Sue Bradfords of this world, creating the society where people don't have to take responsibility for their actions, that are creating these events.

As for the army comment, what the army needs is more professional soldiers. Babysitting sh*theads like these will only add to their burden. The army isn't a dumping ground for life's hacks,. It, like most other organisations, relies on quality dedicated individuals to get its job done. These are the people it needs more of. And we all know the only way to attract them is to pay better than the next guy. Fact of life.

[Katman]

Hug each one individually and don't stop until they start to cry.


Then let go of them, stand back and laugh at them.